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Old 05-28-2016, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Saying the first bomb was a mistake certain implies wrongdoing. If I do something I recognize later was wrong i feel sorry for it.

Let's face it he was kissing ass. No one is harmed. Fortunately we had a good Democrat for President in 1945. No college degree, but a lot of common sense.
No, he said the bomb was something we hoped to never use again. The mistake was war in and of itself. Not the use of the bomb itself. I get that the speech is about 24 minutes long, but you should watch it.


Also, you define FDR as a good Democrat, he was to the left of Barack Obama by a mile.
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Old 05-28-2016, 11:38 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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My filipino father in law who lived through the Japanese atrocities in Cebu hated the Japs (his term) until his dying day.

The Japanese and Germans were working on an A-bomb also. The fact is whoever manufactured one first was going to use it in a war with such high stakes.
Yah, both looked into the possibility. Germany didn't have enough resources (ores, precision engineering, nuclear physicists, mathematicians, engineers, power to spare, explosives, critical electrical components, trained manpower) - it's a long list. & of course they drove out a lot of the science/engineering/physics talent they would have needed to do the theoretical work & then the engineering work. So their wounds there were largely self-inflicted.


The Japanese were in worse shape - they had the wrong military strategy - the bulk of the IJA was in China, of all places, endlessly conquering land that merely thinned their forces & strained even further their totally inadequate logistics. Japan never had the manpower to do what they attempted, & they ignored their raw materials requirements, logistics to keep their industrial/military machine running. They were short of cargo craft, they didn't update their frontline aircraft during the war, the ignored the possible strategic uses of their submarine arm. Their industrial base wasn't there, to pursue nuclear weapons & the conventional war they were waging.


Both Germany & Japan thought that nuclear weapons might be possible, but too far down the line in terms of development & implementation to be of any immediate use.
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Old 05-28-2016, 12:24 PM
 
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However it was certainly implied the bombing was something to be ashamed of.
You must have read a different speech.
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Old 05-28-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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Japan never had the manpower to do what they attempted, & they ignored their raw materials requirements, logistics to keep their industrial/military machine running. They were short of cargo craft, they didn't update their frontline aircraft during the war, the ignored the possible strategic uses of their submarine arm. Their industrial base wasn't there, to pursue nuclear weapons & the conventional war they were waging.
Didn't help that they acted like complete and utter bastards to the locals. If they'd tried to go for the "liberator" angle rather than the iron-fisted brutal occupiers they were, they might have had enthusiastic backing from the occupied territories.
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Old 05-28-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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He feels he can speak out on this issue because...you know it was the evil WHITE man that dropped the bomb. HE is not responsible. You know, America is such a better country now with his great wisdom at the helm.

That is how he looks at it I'm sure.
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Old 05-28-2016, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Like I said before; here is where he should have been on this holiday weekend. You will not hear anything about this latest vandalism from our illustrious administration: Vandals Deface Vietnam War Memorial In Venice « CBS Los Angeles. His legacy will be all about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. We hired him to represent us and not the rest of the world! It would be great if one time he went out of character and actually praised our service men and women as well as the police that protect our Nation.
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Old 05-28-2016, 01:33 PM
 
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That is how he looks at it I'm sure.
Constructing fantasy scenarios to provide justification for one's dislikes probably feels good, but is it constructive?
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Old 05-28-2016, 02:53 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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He feels he can speak out on this issue because...you know it was the evil WHITE man that dropped the bomb. HE is not responsible. You know, America is such a better country now with his great wisdom at the helm.

That is how he looks at it I'm sure.
Wonderfully loopy comment. Wasn't Pres. Obama's mother Caucasian? & so that would - by this logic - make Obama only half-responsible for the nuclear weapons dropped on Japan? I wonder if it's the right half or the left half? Or upper or lower? Or maybe by quadrants? Likely the sinister, wouldn't you think?
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Old 05-28-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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Trying to retrospectively qualify the Nobel peace prize?
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Old 05-28-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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Labeling an action "evil" and a "mistake" is certainly pretty close to an apology. I got no big problem with it. Diplomacy (kissing ass) is what world leaders do. But, I say it is an apology. Apologies do not always include the words "I am sorry".
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well that makes it worse Dane... who seems to know way more than a person really ought about this... makes me wonder ... ... ... ...


that means Mr. Obama repeated a well known refrain in Japan that clearly points to the evil of the USA dropping that bomb.


thank you for pointing out just how terrible Mr. Obamas choice of words were.
Well, lookee here what UPI has to say on their website today:

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An earlier version of this story mistakenly attributed a quote to Obama. "Let all the souls here rest in peace, for we shall not repeat the evil" is the English translation of the epitaph from the Hiroshima memorial. It was not part of Obama's speech.
Obama the first U.S. president to visit Hiroshima - UPI.com

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