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Old 06-04-2016, 07:23 AM
 
Location: louisville
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Yes, sure, the rhetoric is thick when it comes to politics, and perhaps appropriate to compare how some people believe Trump will ruin America much like others thought that was Obama's agenda. Hard for me to put the two in the same category of comparison without laughing a bit, but okay..., fair enough.

Your point about what time it takes to prove things out is exactly my point about California!

Starting with Obama, for example, we do have at least what time it took to go from the onset of the Great Recession to where we are today despite all the dire conservative warnings from conservatives that Obama would ruin America. Fact is, Obama presided over near eight years of helping America to avoid the certain ruin that Bush handed over to him/us. Also contrary to all the dire conservative warnings related to all things driven by Democratic leadership, California also has some history that is not all that bad all considered, and you can hardly find a state more driven by Democratic leadership.

This is the "reconciliation" I suggest conservatives consider looping back to the first two comments of this thread.
Wait. Bush handed him a recession? You mean lax lending standards implemented before bush, and taken advantage of by 'us', was not the cause?
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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Finally, I can take the same argument about conservatives thinking doom and gloom about CA and reverse it with liberals thinking Texas is a gun loving red neck state where everyone is going to shoot each other.
Finally, enough with the guns already! For me anyway, the issue of gun control as compared to the overall social and economic considerations when it comes to foreign and domestic affairs is much like focusing on the flies at a rodeo.
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:27 AM
 
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I'd have NO problem arresting ANY known illegal alien on sight AND arresting those people who help them stay here.

Legal aliens OTOH are usually decent people. "Communists": the American kind; when they mess up, they'll just be thrown out of office. Tree huggers; some are decent but others are nuts. Gay people; again some are decent and others are also nuts.
Yes, you do have a problem, because we don't have police running around SS Nazi style asking people for papers, let alone rounding them up, arresting them and shipping them off to who knows where. You've got a really big problem in fact (in more ways than one).

Thanks for all the rest of the incredibly insightful truths, perhaps more simply and aptly put, "people are usually decent people," although all too often not so decent in many ways too...
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:31 AM
 
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No in so cal. Very hard, minerally like Nevada. You are up way to early! Lol
I've got plenty of friends and family in SoCal and visit there myself often. The water is fine, and I have never ever heard of any trouble drinking the stuff there, but I'll let you know if I start getting reports to the contrary.

Early bird gets the worm (and I've got plenty stuff to do today)...
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:32 AM
 
Location: louisville
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Learnme, you like dialogue but all you do is argue. How does 'one side' or the other have any high ground. They are both defunct.
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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I've got plenty of friends and family in SoCal and visit there myself often. The water is fine, and I have never ever heard of any trouble drinking the stuff there, but I'll let you know if I start getting reports to the contrary.

Early bird gets the worm (and I've got plenty stuff to do today)...
Nv's sucks. Both draw from the same source
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:34 AM
 
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Wait. Bush handed him a recession? You mean lax lending standards implemented before bush, and taken advantage of by 'us', was not the cause?
Wasn't speaking to cause as much as who was POTUS when, and I'm not getting into the cause of the Great Recession with what time I have this morning and/or the rest of my life. Easier and more entertaining, I might suggest, to simply read the book "The Big Short," and/or see the movie.
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:36 AM
 
Location: louisville
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I've got plenty of friends and family in SoCal and visit there myself often. The water is fine, and I have never ever heard of any trouble drinking the stuff there, but I'll let you know if I start getting reports to the contrary.

Early bird gets the worm (and I've got plenty stuff to do today)...
Hopefully yard work? That's where I find the most serenity (vs golf, gym, motorcycle, snowboarding, etc...)
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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Learnme, you like dialogue but all you do is argue. How does 'one side' or the other have any high ground. They are both defunct.
I do enjoy dialogue, and no doubt engaging with people who don't agree with me is a little more interesting than simply soliciting agreement, though I prefer the more intelligent and informed arguments either way. I am simply not inclined toward your perspective, because for me there is always better or worse, right or wrong, smarter vs dumber, all to which I'd like to think we strive for higher ground, though clearly not all are so inclined.
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:38 AM
 
Location: louisville
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Wasn't speaking to cause as much as who was POTUS when, and I'm not getting into the cause of the Great Recession with what time I have this morning and/or the rest of my life. Easier and more entertaining, I might suggest, to simply read the book "The Big Short," and/or see the movie.
I did. I know it. My ex wife was a mortgage officer during the time.

Great movie btw. CArrell was awesome.
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