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Old 06-04-2016, 09:05 PM
 
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This is crazy. How is this even a discussion? If you got junk, you shouldn't be in a female's restroom. That's all there is to it. So what if you identify as someone else?

There are some people in this world that are ugly, that are short, that are bald, that are badly burned, that are mentally challenged. We all have problems. Deal with it. Be who you were born to be. Step up to the plate.

This is life. Sometimes you got to deal with things that you don't want to. What about that dude in Bangladesh covered in human feces? You think that dude is crying? Damn.
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Old 06-04-2016, 09:07 PM
 
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It's okay.... I had to explain what a metaphor was to some other republican.
Hey man, just cuz you like to take showers with grown dudes in the females restroom with little kids, doesn't mean other people like doing it, nor that it's normal.

You understand? It's crazy.
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Old 06-04-2016, 09:51 PM
 
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Many Americans don't care about the washroom part of this issue either, only about the changing room/shower/locker room part of the issue re schools because those under age 18 (and the issues that arise re that.....I usually vehemently disagree with Informed Consent's stubbornness, but she's right this time...except that, IMO, the comfort level of the underage cisgender girls in the locker room is even more important than the legal aspect) are part of that equation. I read your link, and the additional link (a press release from Ipsos) embedded under the word poll in the original link. Those questioned were asked about changing rooms, but no particular venue is mentioned.....schools never mentioned at all. The title portion 'Canadians' is also, IMO, disingenuous and should be corrected to 'Canadian adults'. The last paragraph of the press release from Ipsos indicated that the survey was a survey of adults. Your link and the additional link aren't invalid, just too general to address the specific issues of both the feelings of the cisgender girls and the legal ramifications that I hear many have in the U.S. Do you know if any similar surveys, etc. have been conducted in Canada that deal specifically with how any group feels about the changing room/shower/locker room part of the issue in schools attended by those under age 18?
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:02 AM
 
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How do you suggest a "transgender" with penis and testicles change into or out of a swimsuit or shower in multiple occupancy girls'/women's locker/shower rooms without exposing his genitalia? Hmmm...???
I don't think I need to repeat myself
You've explained it before? Good. Post it again.

How do you suggest a "transgender" with penis and testicles change into or out of a swimsuit or shower in multiple occupancy girls'/women's locker/shower rooms without exposing his genitalia?
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:10 AM
 
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Except we ALL know this isn't really about just restrooms. It's also about changing/locker/shower rooms ...and women's shelters. A male sexual predator who falsely claimed to be transgender attacked women at Toronto women's shelters.

Predator who claimed to be transgender declared dangerous offender | Toronto & G
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:11 AM
 
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You've explained it before? Good. Post it again.

How do you suggest a "transgender" with penis and testicles change into or out of a swimsuit or shower in multiple occupancy girls'/women's locker/shower rooms without exposing his genitalia?
By either wearing shorts to shower in or to use a private stall to change in. All schools should have private stall for students that don't wish to get naked in front of other students. Also, students today aren't getting naked in front of each other in the locker rooms. My entire time in junior high and high school, I never once had to get naked in front of my fellow students.

Also it is rare for a school to have a pool, it is even more rare for a school to require students to swim. So this idea that students are all swimming while in school is just laughable.
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:35 AM
 
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By either wearing shorts to shower in or to use a private stall to change in.
Many multiple occupancy locker/shower rooms don't have private stalls. And what makes you think a male claiming to be a transgender would keep his bathing suit or shorts on in the girls'/women's locker or shower room for changing into/out of swimsuit or showering purposes? That would defeat their insistence on using the girls'/women's facilities. They supposedly "identify" as a girl/woman. The girls'/women aren't keeping their clothes on under their swimsuits or showering in their clothes.

Plus, your ridiculous suggestion doesn't eliminate the male "transgender" poser who accesses girls'/women's facilities for the purpose of voyeurism.
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:40 AM
 
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By either wearing shorts to shower in or to use a private stall to change in. All schools should have private stall for students that don't wish to get naked in front of other students. Also, students today aren't getting naked in front of each other in the locker rooms.
I disagree. Having been a high school athlete, as were my kids, we all undressed/dressed in the locker rooms and used the shower room. So did the other school athletes, various sports.

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My entire time in junior high and high school, I never once had to get naked in front of my fellow students.
Well, that's you. Perhaps you aren't athletic. Your experience doesn't apply to all.

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Also it is rare for a school to have a pool, it is even more rare for a school to require students to swim.
Where do you think collegiate athlete swimmers/divers come from?

Some of you must have VERY limited life experience.
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:42 AM
 
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Many multiple occupancy locker/shower rooms don't have private stalls. And what makes you think a male claiming to be a transgender would keep his bathing suit or shorts on in the girls'/women's locker or shower room for changing into/out of swimsuit or showering purposes? That would defeat their insistence on using the girls'/women's facilities. They supposedly "identify" as a girl/woman. The girls'/women aren't keeping their clothes on under their swimsuits or showering in their clothes.

Plus, your ridiculous suggestion doesn't eliminate the male "transgender" poser who accesses girls'/women's facilities for the purpose of voyeurism.
You don't know many transgender people, do you? Transgender women don't typically go around exposing their genitalia to women.

Also, seeing as you didn't hear this, schools rarely have pools, and even more rare is requiring students to swim. Therefore why are students in swimsuits to begin with? Also this is 2016, all schools should have access to private changing rooms. Even back when I was a kid, you could change in the gym teacher's room if you didn't feel comfortable changing in front of other students.

This isn't that complicated to understand, unless you think high school is like the movies or porn.

Athletic swimmers don't do their training in high school swimming pools because high schools rarely have swimming pools. Seriously, when was the last time you were in a high school?
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:47 AM
 
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You don't know many transgender people, do you? Transgender women don't typically go around exposing their genitalia to women.
Again, as usual, you're missing the point.

There's no definitive identification of who is or who is not transgender. What's the criteria to identify someone as such? Merely someone's "say so" about themselves? And who is monitoring access to girls'/women's multiple occupancy restroom/locker/shower room facilities to make sure that only those who actually ARE transgender are admitted to the facilities? Will there be guards at each entrance the entire time such facilities are open?

Given that newly introduced REALITY, any sexual predator male with an exposure fetish can now just stroll right into the girl's/women's multiple occupancy locker/shower room, strip down to nothing, and if he "says" he's "transgender," no girl/woman can do a thing about it except to submit to indecent exposure ...or leave. And similarly, there's no way to stop male voyeur sexual predators from watching girls/women undress or shower under the same circumstances. All they have to do is "say" they're "transgender" and all's good; no one can challenge their right to be there.

How many more additional girl/woman victims of sexual predators exploiting this "policy" will it take for you all to back off?!? How many MORE women have to suffer? How many is enough?

I would REALLY like any of you to answer that question.

Do you NOT see how misogynistic your demands are? Why DEMAND girls/women expose themselves to male sexual predators posing as transgenders just so that 0.3% of the population can use the restroom of their choice, which they have already been doing anyway?

How INCREDIBLY selfish of many of you to demand that there be EVEN MORE victimization of women. /puke
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