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So... How many MINOR school girl sex crime victims directly attributable to the Obama Admin's edict to every public school in the country are acceptable to you?
1? 10? 100? 1,000?
How many?
Give us a number.
How do you suggest cisgender girls change into and out of swimsuits without being naked? How do you suggest cisgender girls use schools' multiple occupancy shower rooms without being naked?
You keep repeating yourself expecting people to agree with your phobia.
This won't change anything, those wishing to commit an illegal act of sexual assault is going to do it regardless of the law.
Name a school that requires students to swim.
My entire time in school, I never once needed to get naked in front of other students. Yet here you are acting like all students must get naked in front of other students.
The solution suggested in the Illinois case was shower curtains.
As there aren't enough individual changing and/or shower stalls with curtains to accommodate every student that needs to change and or shower at the same time, the Obama Admin rejected that solution. Read the letter the Obama Admin sent to every public school in America, again:
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"A school may not require transgender students to use facilities inconsistent with their gender identity or to use individual-user facilities when other students are not required to do so."
Stalls with curtains don't meet the edict's requirements because not all students are required to use them, as there simply aren't enough to accommodate every student at the same time. And sectioning off portions of the locker and shower rooms with curtains also violates the edict because it creates segregated individual-user partitions that not all students are required to use.
As there aren't enough individual changing and/or shower stalls with curtains to accommodate every student that needs to change and or shower at the same time, the Obama Admin rejected that solution. Read the letter the Obama Admin sent to every public school in America, again:
Stalls with curtains don't meet the edict's requirements because not all students are required to use them, as there simply aren't enough to accommodate every student at the same time. And sectioning off portions of the locker and shower rooms with curtains also violates the edict because it creates segregated individual-user partitions that not all students are required to use.
Uhh no. That was in fact the solution suggested by the Feds in Illinois. You need to read your own cites.
Uhh no. That was in fact the solution suggested by the Feds in Illinois. You need to read your own cites.
Quite clearly, you don't understand. Read the Obama Admin letter to every public school in America. Schools CAN NOT require a transgender to use a curtained off stall unless ALL students are required to use a curtained off stall. Schools can ONLY require of the transgender student what they require of ALL the other students, or lose their federal funding.
Furthermore, HOW would a transgender GET to the curtained off areas? By passing THROUGH the multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower room areas in which MINOR girls are partially unclothed or naked.
Quite clearly, you don't understand. Read the Obama Admin letter to every public school in America. Schools CAN NOT require a transgender to use a curtained off stall unless ALL students are required to use a curtained off stall. Schools can ONLY require of the transgender student what they require of ALL the other students, or lose their federal funding.
Furthermore, HOW would a transgender GET to the curtained off areas? By passing THROUGH the multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower room areas in which MINOR girls are partially unclothed or naked.
you really should make it a rule to read your own cites. The Feds suggested that curtained off areas be provided to all who wished them. Not a curtained off for the transgender. Then all have the right to be private if they wish.
I would think the transgender girl would be at some risk if she did not use one as the display of male genitalia would likely violate some statute.
Nothing in the Fed letter that overrules local statutes. Simply a requirement that a transgender be treated as any other of the new gender.
you really should make it a rule to read your own cites. The Feds suggested that curtained off areas be provided to all who wished them. Not a curtained off for the transgender. Then all have the right to be private if they wish.
I would think the transgender girl would be at some risk if she did not use one as the display of male genitalia would likely violate some statute.
Nothing in the Fed letter that overrules local statutes. Simply a requirement that a transgender be treated as any other of the new gender.
Funny how we can point this over and over and yet some just don't get it....I am still waiting for her to prove that any school requires all students to swim.
you really should make it a rule to read your own cites. The Feds suggested that curtained off areas be provided to all who wished them.
And when there aren't enough for everyone who wishes to use them? Then what?
And you didn't answer the question: HOW would a transgender GET to the curtained off areas?
Answer: By passing THROUGH the multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower room areas in which MINOR girls are partially unclothed or naked.
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Nothing in the Fed letter that overrules local statutes.
Well then this should get quite interesting... Males exposing their genitalia to females and male voyeurism committed against females are codified as sex crimes in all 50 states. Furthermore, it's a FELONY sex crime if committed on school grounds and/or the victim is a minor.
And when there aren't enough for everyone who wishes to use them? Then what?
And you didn't answer the question: HOW would a transgender GET to the curtained off areas?
Answer: By passing THROUGH the multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower room areas in which MINOR girls are partially unclothed or naked.
Well then this should get quite interesting... Males exposing their genitalia to females and male voyeurism committed against females are codified as sex crimes in all 50 states. Furthermore, it's a FELONY sex crime if committed on school grounds and/or the victim is a minor.
Crossing through is not a problem. She can look just as any other female could. I am sure there are some females who love looking at naked females. So what?
Dealing with a scarce resource is a school problem . They handle it however they handle it.
And when there aren't enough for everyone who wishes to use them? Then what?
There is this thing called "waiting." That is what a student must do when people are using all the private showers and they don't want to use the open room shower stall....
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And you didn't answer the question: HOW would a transgender GET to the curtained off areas?
There is this invention called the "towel." Maybe you have heard of it, it allows people to cover themselves when out of a shower.
This isn't something new, most people understand how curtains, waiting their turn, and towels work in locker rooms.
Oh and I am still waiting for you to name ONE school that requires all students to swim.
Last edited by Cliftonpdx; 06-19-2016 at 05:20 PM..
Crossing through is not a problem. She can look just as any other female could.
"She's" not a female. 'She's" a male who "says" she "feels" like a female. No proof whatsoever of actually being transgender required.
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Dealing with a scarce resource is a school problem . They handle it however they handle it.
Interesting point. I'll use my kids' high school, in that same IL School Dist, as an example. 2,000 students. IL requires 4 years of PE for HS diploma eligibility. 7 periods in the school day. 286 students in each PE period, 146 of whom are cisgender females. One (or more) of those PE periods has one or more males "claiming" to be transgender. 100 or so of those MINOR girls are uncomfortable undressing/changing in front of an anatomical male who is either using the open locker and shower rooms OR has to pass through the open locker room to even get to a curtained individual changing stall. The school doesn't have 100 individual curtained changing stalls in the girls' locker room, and has no individual shower stalls whatsoever. There is no room on the school's grounds to expand the school's facilities to add 200 curtained individual changing/shower stalls, 100 to each (girls', boys') locker room (facilities must be equal, Title IX).
Now what?
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