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Old 06-06-2016, 11:49 AM
 
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I'm all for the U.S. being involved on the world stage though we have to realize that we cannot be the world police anymore. We can't afford to intervene in Syria and overthrow Assad just because he's a dictator instead we need to hold diplomatic talks with the Russian Federation so that we can work together on bringing peace to the Middle East through the cooperation of sharing intelligence and coordinating airstrikes against terrorist positions.

NATO must reach some sort of non aggression treaty with Russia as in all honesty NATO does tend to encroach on Russia's sphere of influence much more than they do to us. Russia is currently being squeezed into a corner due to economic sanctions by the West including Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and Japan. We don't need to continue to work against Russia instead we can work with them I mean we did before Obama came
into office though we must improve our current relationship and fast.
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Old 06-06-2016, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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My opinion is in the minority.

I don't think the situation is really 100% black or white.

Things are never so simple. The USA isn't "trying" to police the world against the will of the world, contrary to what you may have heard. All of the western world, including most of the advanced nations of Asia/Pacifica and the Mideast depend on USAmerican "Policery". Wishing away one hegemony only creates a vacuum for another to enter.

If we have to accept a world police, and you know there will be one. I'm glad it's not Soviet Union, and not China.

This said, I think the world should all pay up. Make it 2-5% of their national budget.

If America was been attacked, all those NATO countries, Asian countries should send soldiers to defend America. Make it fair.
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Old 06-06-2016, 12:17 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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America can help more its citizens and other countries being squeezed by China right now if it imposes punitive tariffs on Chinese imports. that's the best defense against China
And what politicians are going to risk their cushy little jobs to do something that would likely have American consumers paying substantially more $$$ for their 'smart ' phones, TVs, etc. as well as no doubt hurting US exporters who would likely face punitive tariffs on the products they export?
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Old 06-06-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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And what politicians are going to risk their cushy little jobs to do something that would likely have American consumers paying substantially more $$$ for their 'smart ' phones, TVs, etc. as well as no doubt hurting US exporters who would likely face punitive tariffs on the products they export?
how much does US export to China? how much it imports? the difference is so large China will go into depression once it can not export to the US.


the only reason I can think why they don't impose punitive tariffs or even just higher tariffs just to help unemployed American workers is that businessmen don't want to lose the China market. they are always thinking of the "what if I can sell just $1 to the 1.4B Chinese? how much more if I can sell $100?" and this thinking has been going on since the British initiated the opium war more than one hundred years ago.


but remember, there is saying in Chinese: don't ride a tiger if you don't know how to get off alive


and that my friends is the predicament the US/West is in now.
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Old 06-07-2016, 06:43 AM
 
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Well said. Frankly, I'm sick of carrying Europe's water. Europe has been our greatest albatross historically. Nothing but a pain in our collective asses. We owe them nothing.
The problem with your surmise is that you expect the world to believe you've done all this protecting for purely altruistic motives. Nobody is dumb enough to believe that except Americans.
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Old 06-07-2016, 06:56 AM
 
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They are stressed out that they may have to divert funds from welfare to defense? Wow.

Just pull the troops and navy out already. And here is a question. Why do we care about what China does thousands of miles away from us? We should be looking inward more and more. Just arm Japan with nukes and get out of there too. Tell China that North Korea is their problem now.
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Old 06-07-2016, 06:57 AM
 
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Well said. Frankly, I'm sick of carrying Europe's water. Europe has been our greatest albatross historically. Nothing but a pain in our collective asses. We owe them nothing.
They are like having a spoiled child that just wants more, more, more. Agreed 100%.
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Old 06-07-2016, 07:07 AM
 
Location: louisville
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We were warned about alliances and foreign entanglement 240 years ago
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Old 06-07-2016, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Hamburg, Deutschland
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Do you really think those Germans and Italians asked you to invade them and to build your military bases on their land?

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We were warned about alliances and foreign entanglement 240 years ago
Yes, and you should have heeded this warning back in 1914-1918 instead of getting yourself into a war you had no business in, which in turn led to another war, which in turn has led to what you all are complaining about.
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Old 06-07-2016, 07:14 AM
 
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Do you really think those Germans and Italians asked you to invade them and to build your military bases on their land?
What is this gibberish?
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