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Old 06-09-2016, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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I am sure you will disagree, as you have said enough in this thread already. However, there is a big disconnect between how a woman acts, and whether a man forces himself on her.


Whether or not girls and women should be raised to be aware of risks and avoid situations which may put them at a heightened level of risk is a total and completely different conversation.


Placing the blame on a woman based on her wardrobe or whether she is a flirt is a sorry defense for a man knowingly and consciously raping her. A woman who puts herself at greater risk is not giving some kind of "consent by circumstance" because she has a showy dress, drank too many drinks, or acted flirty.
Yes, this exactly.


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Maybe this has something to do with "hookup culture"? Sex in the City, free porn, sexting?


In my younger days we dressed in tight designer jeans, short skirts, tube tops, daisy dukes, high platform shoes and no one talked of c*** teasing or getting raped. Those clothes were considered young and cute for teens and twenties. Men wore short shorts too. No one expected sex because of cut off shorts. There also wasn't a cultural expectation of FWBs and hookups. If you were into it, free love, but wearing a halter crop top or flirting with a boy was not an indication you were into casual sex or trying to bother men. Now if you do that, you are called names and open to being raped? It's got to be more than the clothes and the flirting.

You seriously don't think that just because people weren't talking about it does not mean people were not being raped?
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Old 06-09-2016, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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White privilege in the working.
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Old 06-09-2016, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Ex-Stanford swimmer expected to leave jail 3 months early

Of course.

What's that...about 57 months shorter than what Brian Banks served?


Obvi, Brian Banks needed to stay locked up, just in case......
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Old 06-09-2016, 02:05 PM
miu
 
Location: MA/NH
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It is becoming crystal clear that you are jealous of these women, hence they deserve to be raped. Ok, gotcha. Have a nice life.
Well... about a year and a half ago, one of those flirty girls might have gotten roofied and raped by a co-worker she was dating at the time. She told someone that one night they were drinking at his place and she didn't want to have sex with him that night. She also said she told him that she didn't want to have sex without a condom. At some point she fell asleep at his place. The next morning, he had already left his place. She said that she could tell that overnight, she had had sex but couldn't remember doing it. She then looked all over the apartment and couldn't find any used condoms. She never filed charges. She never seemed traumatized either and acts like nothing happened. She doesn't go out with that guy anymore and they are still friends.

I don't think that she should have been roofied, but she didn't care about filing charges against him, then I'm not going to get all worked up about what he did to her. BTW his family is from Columbia. He's not some preppy kid from a wealthy family.
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Old 06-09-2016, 02:17 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Well... about a year and a half ago, one of those flirty girls might have gotten roofied and raped by a co-worker she was dating at the time. She told someone that one night they were drinking at his place and she didn't want to have sex with him that night. She also said she told him that she didn't want to have sex without a condom. At some point she fell asleep at his place. The next morning, he had already left his place. She said that she could tell that overnight, she had had sex but couldn't remember doing it. She then looked all over the apartment and couldn't find any used condoms. She never filed charges. She never seemed traumatized either and acts like nothing happened. She doesn't go out with that guy anymore and they are still friends.

I don't think that she should have been roofied, but she didn't care about filing charges against him, then I'm not going to get all worked up about what he did to her. BTW his family is from Columbia. He's not some preppy kid from a wealthy family.
Holy. . . cow! (To make it through the filters) Many women don't file charges, due to the type of treatment this "Jane Doe" got by the defense attorneys, and she had witnesses, including a guy who actually broke down and cried while talking to the police, it was so horrific. I suggest you read the book "Missoula" about a series of rapes in Missoula, MT.
Swedish students who stopped Stanford sex assault say they acted 'on instinct' - Trending - CBC News
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Old 06-09-2016, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Are you kidding?

Driving while drunk increases the chance that you will do something bad. Not that someone else will do something bad to you. You people make me sick.
Sick?

Why do you think being drunk downtown does not increase your chances of bad things happening? Are you living in a cave with no contact with the real world?

Just to help you out; Many things people do increase their chances of getting in trouble. Things such as bar hopping at 2 AM, getting drunk while out on the town, driving wildly, hanging with bad people, doing drugs with drug addicts, etc.

If you want to reduce your chances of getting raped, getting shot, getting beat up and having a car accident then don't do dangerous things.
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Old 06-09-2016, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Austin
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By "bad things happening," you mean driving drunk and hitting someone, killing someone, smashing someone's car, wrecking other people's property. Those are things a drunk person does TO someone else. The drunk person is at fault and breaking the law. If I am mugged and robbed (something done TO ME), nobody says, "Well, were you drinking? Maybe you should have been more vigilant."
No, but if you are out drinking at 2 AM you odds of having something bad happen are much greater than if you are home watching a movie.
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Old 06-09-2016, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Austin
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It is not "blaming the victim" to point out the fact that drunkenness on the part of university-aged men and women can lead to unpleasant consequences, and that females bear as much responsibility for these consequences as do males.

Obviously, this young man committed a despicable criminal act. But the young woman had no business drinking herself into insensibility among strangers. That constitutes plain old unvarnished (dare one say criminal?) stupidity.
Correct. If she had been home watching a movie she would have been much safer. She chose to engage in risky behavior.

And that has nothing to do with the rapist. Nobody is defending the rapist.
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Old 06-09-2016, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Austin
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for all those who are saying "she was drunk what did she expect"?

a hangover, she expected a hangover!


drinking is not a crime, rape IS.
Silly post. Nobody said drinking is a crime.
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Old 06-09-2016, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Well... about a year and a half ago, one of those flirty girls might have gotten roofied and raped by a co-worker she was dating at the time. She told someone that one night they were drinking at his place and she didn't want to have sex with him that night. She also said she told him that she didn't want to have sex without a condom. At some point she fell asleep at his place. The next morning, he had already left his place. She said that she could tell that overnight, she had had sex but couldn't remember doing it. She then looked all over the apartment and couldn't find any used condoms. She never filed charges. She never seemed traumatized either and acts like nothing happened. She doesn't go out with that guy anymore and they are still friends.

I don't think that she should have been roofied, but she didn't care about filing charges against him, then I'm not going to get all worked up about what he did to her. BTW his family is from Columbia. He's not some preppy kid from a wealthy family.

"She told someone", so how do you know that she is not traumatized? Judging by your attitude towards sexual assault I'd say you would be the last person on the planet that she would talk to about it.
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