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Old 06-10-2016, 01:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by MJJersey View Post
....is this a case where he held her down and raped her or is this one of those drunk sex regret cases?
Excellent question.

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Just can't help yourself blaming the victim, can you? What about "unconscious" do you not understand?
She was probably conscious at the time of the sexual encounter, she just doesn't remember it.

That's called being blacked out. Happens all the time when people drink too much.

You're conscious but you can't remember what happened the next day.

There is no evidence that she didn't consent.

And there is no evidence that the sex was forced on her.

This might well be just another one of those fake "rape" cases like The Duke Lacrosse Players, Mattress Girl at Columbia, and the made-up University of Virginia fraternity gang rape case.

Extreme feminists would have us believe that virtually ALL men who have sex with women are committing rape.
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Old 06-10-2016, 05:40 AM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Excellent question.



She was probably conscious at the time of the sexual encounter, she just doesn't remember it.

That's called being blacked out. Happens all the time when people drink too much.

You're conscious but you can't remember what happened the next day.

There is no evidence that she didn't consent.
Nope, she was unconscious. Her lack of consciousness was witnessed by the men on bicycles, by the police, and by paramedics. That's the evidence she didn't consent.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:13 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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Nope, she was unconscious. Her lack of consciousness was witnessed by the men on bicycles, by the police, and by paramedics. That's the evidence she didn't consent.
Technically, she could have started out conscious, then passed out. I'm not saying that it happened in this case. But the men on bicycles and the police and paramedics weren't there at the start of the assault, otherwise, it never would have happened at all.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:26 AM
 
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Technically, she could have started out conscious, then passed out. I'm not saying that it happened in this case. But the men on bicycles and the police and paramedics weren't there at the start of the assault, otherwise, it never would have happened at all.
The most enthusiastic consent ends when someone is unconscious.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:28 AM
 
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Turns out Brock is quite the runner. Two months before the assault, he ran away from police because he was outside drinking with fellow swim team members and had a six pack of beer:

Prosecutor: Brock Turner ran from police during prior run-in with law | My Connection from Cox

Good thing that he likes to run and not just swim----those running skills may help him run away from people in jail who would do to him what he did to his victim...
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Old 06-10-2016, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The psychology of a parent of a messed up kid is always interesting, from one of the articles,

"Turner's father also wrote a letter to the judge defending his son and echoing the dozens of other letters from friends and mentors.

"His life will never be the one that he dreamed about and worked so hard to achieve. That is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of his 20 plus years of his life," wrote his father, Dan A. Turner. "The fact that he now has to register as a sexual offender for the rest of his life forever alters where he can live, visit, work, and how he will be able to interact with people and organizations."

What so many parents don't want to see is that their kid never was going to be that person he dreamed about. It was all a parents dream. A vision of what could have been had his child not been born or raised to be a weirdo. The father needs to self assess and see whether it was their own genetics or his and his wife's child rearing that got his son into this lousy place. Quit acting like the son is a victim in the rape, he is not, he is a disgusting outcome of a flawed conception and raising.

Your son never had a chance-you should have seen that and taken necessary steps. Any time one of these losers ends up with a light sentence they are not off the hook because life and the bad habits they carry with them everywhere will get them in the end.
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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She was probably conscious at the time of the sexual encounter, she just doesn't remember it.

That's called being blacked out. Happens all the time when people drink too much.

You're conscious but you can't remember what happened the next day.
Two guys riding by on bicycles could tell something was amiss. And the poor little rich boy, being the gentleman that he was raised to be, tried to run away as soon as he realized he'd been caught.

Stop dreaming up scenarios that absolves rapists. It reflects on you.
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Old 06-10-2016, 10:09 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Good news! Banned for life by USA Swimming.
Ex-Stanford swimmer Brock Turner banned for life by USA Swimming - CBS News
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Old 06-10-2016, 10:13 AM
 
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"His life will never be the one that he dreamed about and worked so hard to achieve. That is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of his 20 plus years of his life," wrote his father, Dan A. Turner. "The fact that he now has to register as a sexual offender for the rest of his life forever alters where he can live, visit, work, and how he will be able to interact with people and organizations."
In this entire stinking set of circumstances, that right there is the one tiny detail that could make feel some empathy (not sympathy) with that Brock character. Raised by someone who thinks like that, you're bound to make bad decisions once outside your little bubble. The way he "interact(s) with people and organizations" - people in particular - is amply demonstrated.
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Old 06-10-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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That seems like more adequate justice than what he received through the legal system.
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