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Old 06-15-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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But it has not been shown that the Stanford student raped the woman.

In fact, we know he didn't.

All that has been shown is fondling -- quite possibly with consent.

Indeed.
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there is no evidence that she didn't consent, and the fact that it was not sexual intercourse and therefore not a rape.
No evidence? Consent? He was found guilty of three felonies:

* assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman
* sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object and
* sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object.

There was PLENTY of evidence for the judge and jury which is why he was CONVICTED. Seriously. What is wrong with you?
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:42 AM
 
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No evidence? Consent? He was found guilty of three felonies:

* assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman
* sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object and
* sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object.

There was PLENTY of evidence for the judge and jury which is why he was CONVICTED. Seriously. What is wrong with you?
Right, like those pine needles found.., well you know...
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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" Stanford Swimmer Who Raped Unconscious Woman Gets Short Sentence Because Jail Would Have a ‘Severe Impact on Him’ "

The judge based his sentence on the probation report's recommendations. They cited he had no prior history and was genuinely remorseful. They recommended six months and the judge ran with it. Is this common in the California court system? The judge heard more in the court room than the probation officer did, is he not incapable of judging? Why even have a minimum two year sentence. It all seems backassward to me.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I'm not going after her at all.

I'm saying, "prove that she didn't consent." You can't prove that.

I'm saying, "prove there was actual sexual intercourse." We know that there wasn't.

Rape = sexual intercourse without consent.

It doesn't mean consented-to hanky panky.

You feminists sure love to throw the word "rape" around indiscriminately.

You do that just to get society to believe in much more severe punishments for men than the facts warrant.

You man hatred couldn't be more apparent.
I am a man; I have my doubts about you. Do you have sisters per chance?
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:22 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Pine needles are sticky and can end up anywhere.
Confirmed. You know nothing of female anatomy. I'd give you a lesson, but it wouldn't be worth my time.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:30 PM
 
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Confirmed. You know nothing of female anatomy. I'd give you a lesson, but it wouldn't be worth my time.
I was wondering when the pictures of the female anatomy might start showing up in this thread as it seemed only a matter of time...
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:12 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Inside her body? The only way they'd end up there is if they hitched a ride on the foreign object that penetrated her as she was unconscious and incapable of consent.

As a mother, this is what I told my sons in the aftermath of this story. You are always responsible for what you do under the influence of alcohol. Being drunk is never an excuse. Never an excuse. Furthermore, do NOT have sex with unconscious people. They are incapable of consenting. They pass out? Whatever was started is over... Done... That's all she wrote... Do not pass Go... Do not collect $200.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:59 PM
 
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People aren't talking about the upside to all this. That a judge is being held accountable for a very poor sentence and may end up losing his job over it.
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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Inside her body? The only way they'd end up there is if they hitched a ride on the foreign object that penetrated her as she was unconscious and incapable of consent.

As a mother, this is what I told my sons in the aftermath of this story. You are always responsible for what you do under the influence of alcohol. Being drunk is never an excuse. Never an excuse. Furthermore, do NOT have sex with unconscious people. They are incapable of consenting. They pass out? Whatever was started is over... Done... That's all she wrote... Do not pass Go... Do not collect $200.
If you need to explain to your sons they should not have sex with unconscious people, you've got a problem or they've got a problem or both...
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:18 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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If you need to explain to your sons they should not have sex with unconscious people, you've got a problem or they've got a problem or both...
No, I don't have a problem. Nor do my sons. I believe in being explicit where appropriate. Saves time.
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