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Old 06-05-2016, 01:54 PM
 
Location: MD's Eastern Shore
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Aww, I say they can stay as long as they work and stay out of trouble.
I guess you have never lost work or a job because of some illegal POS. Or perhaps you are one. If you are one---- go home!

For any American citizen that feels this way, take a trip and visit some of these third world **** holes! Not the parts in the tourist zones, catering to rich Americans, Canadians and Europeans but the parts of these country's the tour guides don't take you too. Most are not educated. lots of crime! They live several generations to a small house. yards, if they have any are un kept. Zoning is unheard of/unenforced. Police are corrupt and don't care. Commit a crime and get caught? just give the officer a few bucks. Drivers licenses? Many don't have. traffic laws? Not followed. Insurance, they don't believe companies will pay so most don't have it.

guess what, those are the ones that are coming here illegally. They are turning our once great nation into the exact **** hole they left because that is all they know. And they never got the education to learn any other way so they WILL NOT CHANGE. THEY WILL NOT LEARN ENGLISH. THEY WILL NOT BECOME AMERICANS.....EVER!

Those country's do have educated people who follow and respect the laws and there are ways to legally immigrate. If there isn't a way to do it legally, too bad. We don't want you. You bring nothing to this country. You just take, take and take. Life isn't fair and there is absolutely nothing stating that we all have the right to move anywhere we so please. Stay home and try to fix your own country. We did here. you (illegas) can as well. They all have a defeatest attitude and think that the good ol US of A is here to save everyone. Sorry to burst your illegal frikin bubble but things don't work that way and you are starting to wake up the anti-illegal but before silent majority.
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Old 06-05-2016, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I guess you have never lost work or a job because of some illegal POS. Or perhaps you are one. If you are one---- go home!

For any American citizen that feels this way, take a trip and visit some of these third world **** holes! Not the parts in the tourist zones, catering to rich Americans, Canadians and Europeans but the parts of these country's the tour guides don't take you too. Most are not educated. lots of crime! They live several generations to a small house. yards, if they have any are un kept. Zoning is unheard of/unenforced. Police are corrupt and don't care. Commit a crime and get caught? just give the officer a few bucks. Drivers licenses? Many don't have. traffic laws? Not followed. Insurance, they don't believe companies will pay so most don't have it.

guess what, those are the ones that are coming here illegally. They are turning our once great nation into the exact **** hole they left because that is all they know. And they never got the education to learn any other way so they WILL NOT CHANGE. THEY WILL NOT LEARN ENGLISH. THEY WILL NOT BECOME AMERICANS.....EVER!

Those country's do have educated people who follow and respect the laws and there are ways to legally immigrate. If there isn't a way to do it legally, too bad. We don't want you. You bring nothing to this country. You just take, take and take. Life isn't fair and there is absolutely nothing stating that we all have the right to move anywhere we so please. Stay home and try to fix your own country. We did here. you (illegas) can as well. They all have a defeatest attitude and think that the good ol US of A is here to save everyone. Sorry to burst your illegal frikin bubble but things don't work that way and you are starting to wake up the anti-illegal but before silent majority.
Nope. Most come from Mexico which is not third world. Maybe not first but not third either. Twice the GDP per capita of China. Only 10% less than Russia and better than some of the minor European nations. Driven by economic opportunity mostly though this list tends to denigrate that. And virtually the entire first US born generation is competent in English. Reasonable health care and education system.

Some do suffer from caste like social system. Indigenous stock is considered a less desirable class.
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Old 06-05-2016, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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I guess you have never lost work or a job because of some illegal POS. Or perhaps you are one. If you are one---- go home!

For any American citizen that feels this way, take a trip and visit some of these third world **** holes! Not the parts in the tourist zones, catering to rich Americans, Canadians and Europeans but the parts of these country's the tour guides don't take you too. Most are not educated. lots of crime! They live several generations to a small house. yards, if they have any are un kept. Zoning is unheard of/unenforced. Police are corrupt and don't care. Commit a crime and get caught? just give the officer a few bucks. Drivers licenses? Many don't have. traffic laws? Not followed. Insurance, they don't believe companies will pay so most don't have it.

guess what, those are the ones that are coming here illegally. They are turning our once great nation into the exact **** hole they left because that is all they know. And they never got the education to learn any other way so they WILL NOT CHANGE. THEY WILL NOT LEARN ENGLISH. THEY WILL NOT BECOME AMERICANS.....EVER!

Those country's do have educated people who follow and respect the laws and there are ways to legally immigrate. If there isn't a way to do it legally, too bad. We don't want you. You bring nothing to this country. You just take, take and take. Life isn't fair and there is absolutely nothing stating that we all have the right to move anywhere we so please. Stay home and try to fix your own country. We did here. you (illegas) can as well. They all have a defeatest attitude and think that the good ol US of A is here to save everyone. Sorry to burst your illegal frikin bubble but things don't work that way and you are starting to wake up the anti-illegal but before silent majority.
WOW, you think I am illegal just because of my view on what to do with illegals that currently reside in the country? Nope, I am a full blooded born American who's view is pretty much in line with the majority of the country.
What Americans want to do about illegal immigration | Pew Research Center
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Old 06-05-2016, 04:22 PM
 
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WOW, you think I am illegal just because of my view on what to do with illegals that currently reside in the country? Nope, I am a full blooded born American who's view is pretty much in line with the majority of the country.
What Americans want to do about illegal immigration | Pew Research Center

Any site/article that calls illegal aliens undocumented immigrants is not a viable source.
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Old 06-05-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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Not all of them are doing that. Many of those that over-stayed Visa's have legit SS numbers. Also there are tons of US citizens and legal immigrants earning money under the table (evading taxes) and no one gripes about them.

As far as Trump. Him being from NYC and being in the hotel business nationwide he has to know that the service industry relies heavily on immigrant labor.

Where do you get the notion that law abiding Americans don't care about citizen or legal immigrants earning money under the table? Your opinion doesn't count as fact. Besides, are these above groups making a living at it or just cash side jobs? It's a whole lot more of a problem when one does it on a full time basis.


What's wrong with "immigrant" labor or are you just blurring the lines between legal and illegal?
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Old 06-05-2016, 04:33 PM
 
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Aww, I say they can stay as long as they work and stay out of trouble.
Your opinion doesn't count. Americans need their jobs back. If illegals are allowed to remain here how is that going to happen? Illegals have already proven they are trouble by violating our immigration laws and working here illegally with a fake or stolen ID or for cash evading taxes. Why should we reward that behavior? Allowing them to remain here negates our sane quotas for legal immigration also.
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Old 06-05-2016, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Any site/article that calls illegal aliens undocumented immigrants is not a viable source.
you did not see the title?

What Americans want to do about illegal immigration | Pew Research Center

You don't like the obvious and well presented information so you complain about the site?
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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Any site/article that calls illegal aliens undocumented immigrants is not a viable source.
Says you? Your opinion does not take the positive side so of course you will think the poll is skewed.
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:05 PM
 
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my relative thinks if trump gets in and deports all the illegals, it would be bad because prices for produce will necessarily skyrocket. this person thinks that americans wont be willing to pick veggies and fruit in the hot sun for 12 hrs a day, and I think she is right. I don't think we should put up will violent or dangerous illegals but I must say I admire anyone who busts their ass off to make a living. what do you all think about this?
Fruit pickers aren't illegal workers. We would still have a guest worker program, plus the many legal citizens who do that job.
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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Where do you get the notion that law abiding Americans don't care about citizen or legal immigrants earning money under the table? Your opinion doesn't count as fact. Besides, are these above groups making a living at it or just cash side jobs? It's a whole lot more of a problem when one does it on a full time basis.


What's wrong with "immigrant" labor or are you just blurring the lines between legal and illegal?
Both. Do not think you will find many home improvement contractors that report all earnings. Anytime I got a quote, I always ask what if I pay cash? They lower the price and am pretty sure they don't report it. I know part time musicians that play in bands and earn upwards of 20K a year all mostly in cash. Many of the Pizza shops in my area run as a family business and pay all their help under the table. Sure there are many more examples out there.
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