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Old 07-10-2016, 08:06 AM
 
Location: NC
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People will still be stupid enough to vote for her despite committing treason and perjury. THATS whats sad.


Yes, lets make someone who mishandles TS information our commander-in-chief! Sounds like a great idea, What could possibly go wrong?
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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And the Denial we are in a Holy War we didn't know we are in.
There is no denial as the body count resulting from terrorists and/or violence continues, but there is much confusion as to cause/effect, how to properly identify those committed to terrorism and how to stop them without beating the drums of broader -- unnecessary -- warfare.

How many lives are saved by NOT allowing the fight against terrorism to boil over into a war between nations?
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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People will still be stupid enough to vote for her despite committing treason and perjury. THATS whats sad.
More sad than all those who argued Obama was a black Muslim foreign-born terrorist? Or that believe he and all Democrats are out to ruin America? Or more sad than the knuckleheads who actually believe Trump is going to "make America great again?"

Sad is what separates our ways of evaluating these people, the difference in our critical thinking, the difference between our reason and logic in these regards, but again..., why do we bother exchanging opinion at this point in the first place..., right?

My Cement Theory.

Priceless? Or pointless?
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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People will still be stupid enough to vote for her despite committing treason and perjury. THATS whats sad.

Yes, lets make someone who mishandles TS information our commander-in-chief! Sounds like a great idea, What could possibly go wrong?
Good judgement is considered one of the most important characteristics of a good POTUS, but we too are called upon to use good judgement when it comes to these sort of mistakes and discretions often a part of any politicians background. Clinton has admitted she made a mistake and no doubt it was, clearly so as we can now conclude in hindsight.

How big a mistake all considered and in light of all matters a Secretary of State let alone a POTUS is necessarily focused upon? Again for us to judge, but when it comes to mistakes in judgement, I think Trump makes more serious mistakes in judgement almost on a daily basis.

Also just FYI: Colin Powell (Jan. 20, 2001–Jan. 26, 2005) used a personal email account for government business and something tells me that conservative judgement about him in this regard would likely be a good deal different than about Hillary. Too bad partisan "judgement" tends to be as biased as it is, seemingly more so with each election cycle...
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:31 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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More sad than all those who argued Obama was a black Muslim foreign-born terrorist? Or that believe he and all Democrats are out to ruin America? Or more sad than the knuckleheads who actually believe Trump is going to "make America great again?"

Sad is what separates our ways of evaluating these people, the difference in our critical thinking, the difference between our reason and logic in these regards, but again..., why do we bother exchanging opinion at this point in the first place..., right?

My Cement Theory.

Priceless? Or pointless?
I remember your thread from long ago. And CD seems to have become ever more partisan. There is no true 'discussion' of the issues. It is more one-upmanship from each side.

It's really not a good place for political discussion these days.
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Old 07-10-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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Yeah, sure.


Can you point out where in the GOP reports it says that Obama and his administration failed to cooperate?
As if it would matter one bit what the R's say. Still, I'll give you an example of the stonewalling that you don't care about.


Obama and Friends won't disclose whether he held a President's Daily Brief on 9/12 and 9/13. Who cares you say ? Anyone who cares whether he knew the 1st account of Benghazi suggested the attack was an intentional assault, not a spontaneous protest run amuck.


Oh well, nothing to see here, move on
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:09 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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As if it would matter one bit what the R's say. Still, I'll give you an example of the stonewalling that you don't care about.


Obama and Friends won't disclose whether he held a President's Daily Brief on 9/12 and 9/13. Who cares you say ? Anyone who cares whether he knew the 1st account of Benghazi suggested the attack was an intentional assault, not a spontaneous protest run amuck.


Oh well, nothing to see here, move on


Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the administration knew it was a planned terrorist attack and not a spontaneous protest run amok, how would that have impacted the actions we took during the immediate response?
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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As if it would matter one bit what the R's say. Still, I'll give you an example of the stonewalling that you don't care about.


Obama and Friends won't disclose whether he held a President's Daily Brief on 9/12 and 9/13. Who cares you say ? Anyone who cares whether he knew the 1st account of Benghazi suggested the attack was an intentional assault, not a spontaneous protest run amuck.


Oh well, nothing to see here, move on
The Gowdy committee report goes into great detail about the attack in Benghazi was reported in the PDB. How in the PDB there was a section on the protest in Benghazi.
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Old 07-10-2016, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the administration knew it was a planned terrorist attack and not a spontaneous protest run amok, how would that have impacted the actions we took during the immediate response?
I found this report interesting:

Full Measure: July 03, 2016 | Full Measure
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Old 07-10-2016, 06:42 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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Good judgement is considered one of the most important characteristics of a good POTUS, but we too are called upon to use good judgement when it comes to these sort of mistakes and discretions often a part of any politicians background. Clinton has admitted she made a mistake and no doubt it was, clearly so as we can now conclude in hindsight.

How big a mistake all considered and in light of all matters a Secretary of State let alone a POTUS is necessarily focused upon? Again for us to judge, but when it comes to mistakes in judgement, I think Trump makes more serious mistakes in judgement almost on a daily basis.

Also just FYI: Colin Powell (Jan. 20, 2001–Jan. 26, 2005) used a personal email account for government business and something tells me that conservative judgement about him in this regard would likely be a good deal different than about Hillary. Too bad partisan "judgement" tends to be as biased as it is, seemingly more so with each election cycle...
Clinton admitted she made a mistake, but only when pushed on the matter. Hindsight, yes, is a great thing, but Presidents shouldn't govern by hindsight and certainly cannot lead that way.

How big a mistake? you ask. Well, mistakes do happen. It's not so much the mistake, as it is the lying about it repeatedly -- and that shows what she thinks of "we the people". We are to listen to her disrespect us by lying, then elect her to govern us?

Really?

As for Powell, that has been used to justify Hillary's actions. However, he did NOT have a personal server.
See the difference?
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