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Old 06-09-2016, 06:23 PM
 
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America lost whole generations of men dying to abolish slavery. Isn't that enough?
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Michelle still has major guilt because she was never a slave.. she has a much better life that 99% of the population.. it must be her black guilt to have to mention the slaves. I have no white guilt.. I had to make my way and I didn't have much of a launching pad in this world to help me out.
From her commencement speech, I don't see where you are getting any kind of guilt either white or black. She was celebrating how far America has come and how it is a land of opportunity for many people. Not sure how that is an expression of guilt.
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Kelly lies and manipulates the truth.. fact is on the LaRAza web site is both LA RAZA.... they are very connected. Kelly doesn't even know what she is saying.. La Raza means THE RACE.. and they oppose deporting illegals.. they also spend millions of tax dollars protecting illegals who break the law, with phony id's, stealing id's. driving without a drivers license.. driving without insurance and those are the typical crimes they do. Hit and run, dui and driving under the influence of drugs. What do they have to lose.. nothing.. they are deported... come back and commit more crimes.millions to protect the rights of illegals.

Donald Trump .. they have put up on their website that Trump is a bigot..I get their drift.
How does anything you just wrote relate to whether or not the Judge is acting impartially on the Trump University case which has nothing to do with immigration. Trump was just playing the victim card.
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Old 06-09-2016, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Do you honestly believe that the majority of general laborers on the White House were not slaves?
I believe others have quoted some of this:

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/qu...he-white-house

"The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African American—enslaved and free—to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings."

"Stonemason Collen Williamson trained enslaved people on the spot at the government's quarry at Aquia, Virginia. Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the President's House. The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations."

https://archive.org/stream/whitehous...0nels_djvu.txt

"To begin this enormous task, the Commissioners hired 'twenty five able bodied negro men Slaves to be employed at the quarries.' Williamson had to teach the slaves the task of quarrying. The names of these quarry workmen have gone unrecorded. We only know that they were allowed a diet of pork and bread, with a daily ration of one pint of whiskey for each man. Working the stone would be a long and arduous task, continuing through the long hot summer days and the frozen winter months."

Mrs. Obama could have chosen to be inclusive, as Taratova says below. When she says slaves built the White House, without acknowledging the mix of ethnicities of the laborers and craftsmen involved, she is deliberately choosing to be divisive.

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No , she didn't.. she could have said this..

many ethnic groups built the white house from around the world including the freed slaves and some who were still slaves.. we have come together and it is a better world .. so let us put the past behind us..

far cry from what Michelle said.
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But those other ethnic groups were free, not slaves.
Mrs. Obama chose to disregard those groups (including free blacks) in her speech, though, implying that all the labor on the White House was performed by slaves. She needs to decide whether she just represents black Americans or all of us.
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Florida
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How does anything you just wrote relate to whether or not the Judge is acting impartially on the Trump University case which has nothing to do with immigration. Trump was just playing the victim card.
He is bigoted against all legals, he has taken the side of illegals . Either you are for .Americans and there birthright or you are against them.
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Florida
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From her commencement speech, I don't see where you are getting any kind of guilt either white or black. She was celebrating how far America has come and how it is a land of opportunity for many people. Not sure how that is an expression of guilt.
Michelle is loaded with black guilt. Blacks who were slaves paved the way for the hand up that many blacks got because of the past slavery. Michelle benefited much by all the suffering that slaves went through and she got all the rewards. .
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Old 06-09-2016, 11:23 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Michelle Obama brought style, beauty and class back to the White House. I am going to miss having her as the First Lady.
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:14 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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He is bigoted against all legals, he has taken the side of illegals . Either you are for .Americans and there birthright or you are against them.
Bless your heart for demonstrating Trump's America.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:22 AM
 
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Michelle is loaded with black guilt. Blacks who were slaves paved the way for the hand up that many blacks got because of the past slavery. Michelle benefited much by all the suffering that slaves went through and she got all the rewards. .
That is a contradictory statement IMO.

If Michelle feels "guilt" about having enslaved ancestors, then why does she use them as inspiration in commencement speeches and others.

The bold goes against what you consider "guilt."

IMO many whites today have "white guilt" about slavery and race based oppression that occurred in our country. You can see this in many ways with those affected as they take offense and get defensive at any mention of slavery or discrimination in our country.

As stated, I research history and genealogy and I am always baffled at how many whites whose 3rd great grandparents or further back owned slaves and they seem to be bothered by that and upset as if it is some refelction on them in the 21st century.

Black people by and large have not "guilt" about our enslaved ancestors. We are VERY aware like you stated about Michelle that we have benefited because of their struggles both during slavery, during our own ancestor's participation in the fighting of the Civil War (it wasn't all white people, by the end of the war 10% of the US army were black soldiers and more than that were Navy sailors), and their subsequent fights through the 20th century in regards to fighting oppression and institutionalized racism.

We are by and large, very proud of our ancestors and their culture of courage and activism. Not "guilty." We don't have anything to feel "guilt" about. And FWIW, I don't think any whites today have anything to feel guilty about either in regards to slavery in particular.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:33 AM
 
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I believe others have quoted some of this:

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/qu...he-white-house

"The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African American—enslaved and free—to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings."

"Stonemason Collen Williamson trained enslaved people on the spot at the government's quarry at Aquia, Virginia. Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the President's House. The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations."

https://archive.org/stream/whitehous...0nels_djvu.txt

"To begin this enormous task, the Commissioners hired 'twenty five able bodied negro men Slaves to be employed at the quarries.' Williamson had to teach the slaves the task of quarrying. The names of these quarry workmen have gone unrecorded. We only know that they were allowed a diet of pork and bread, with a daily ration of one pint of whiskey for each man. Working the stone would be a long and arduous task, continuing through the long hot summer days and the frozen winter months."

Mrs. Obama could have chosen to be inclusive, as Taratova says below. When she says slaves built the White House, without acknowledging the mix of ethnicities of the laborers and craftsmen involved, she is deliberately choosing to be divisive.





Mrs. Obama chose to disregard those groups (including free blacks) in her speech, though, implying that all the labor on the White House was performed by slaves. She needs to decide whether she just represents black Americans or all of us.
In regards to her comments, someone already posted her entire speech. This segment was one sentence of an entire speech that highlighted the accomplishments and the benefits that all types of Americans have contributed to our country. It actually was much more focused on immigrant groups and that particular sentence was the only sentence where slavery was mentioned.

So in that respect, it doesn't make sense to focus on one sentence of an entire commencement speech. Those that do with Michelle, IMO do so because they have a bias against her and they are trying to find ways to call her "divisive" and continually view her in a negative way. IMO it doesn't have anything to do with politics in regards to the bias against her, since by and large, she is not political like other former First Ladies have been like HRC. She also has never done anything to encourage black people to be "against" whites and again, there were slaves who worked on the White House and due to that, she was not incorrect with her single sentence in an entire commencement address.

And FWIW, a large amount of my own ancestors were free black people. I am not upset at her not speaking about them in the speech or her or her husband never speaking about them. Free black people are usually ignored and many people are unaware that there even were free black people in America prior to 1860 (when there were half a million of them). You'd be surprised how many think that since the inception of our country that all black people in America were slaves.
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