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Yes, she identified as a minority and as a Native American in the AALS, something that if Harvard didn't notice when applying they are a 3rd rate organization.
Warren used minority status inappropriately to her advantage. If Warren deceitfully claimed to be a minority in the AALS when she is not, she can lose her law license over the deceit. She should surrender her law license, except she is a political elite, she fights against the 1% while taking advantages of being in the political elite 1%.
The 7 people who voted that they are fine with this should be ashamed that they put partisan politics above what is clearly the right thing.
Well I guess they are 3rd rate LOL
You understand that you need to apply as a minority on the application or do universities just do a search and add anything they want. Funny stuff especially since it was her qualifications that got her in, deal with it.
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If she is part Native American, by her own account, she could be less than 1% Native American and MORE THAN 99% white.
Does that constitute being a minority?
Would you seriously give Native American benefits to someone who:
-Can't prove they have Native American Ancestry
-Is NOT a registered member of any tribe
-Initially only had evidence from word of mouth, which is supported by siblings, but disputed by cousins
-The ancestor who is supposedly part Native American not only LOOKS white, but self-identified as white
-She has ZERO Native American Cultural connections
-Her only connection to being Native American is she overheard grandma say it
-Has fair skin, blue eyes, and blonde hair
Does this person deserve Native American benefits and minority status?
Stop with the blonde hair blue eyed thing. My exhusband is 1/4 Choctaw w/blond hair blue eyes. Our kids were born olive skinned tone; dark hair that later turned blonde ...
And I've got to ask. Does any of this really matter? Are we trying to say that Trump is an okay dude for calling her Pocahontas. He didn't mean that in a nice way you know.
Blonde haired and blue eyed Elizabeth Warren identified herself as a minority in a legal directory and was listed as a Native American in Federal filings by Harvard for showing that they hired minorities.
She is NOT of Native American culture.
Her connection to Native American ancestry is supposedly hearing now dead relatives say so. The male ancestor they supposedly said was Native American looks white (picture of him surfaced) and self-identified as white. If Elizabeth Warren is correct, she may be less than 1% Native American.
A horse being beaten to death again.
Correction, she is not of supported Cherokee ancestry was the issue. Further, Native Americans don't have a unanimous culture, each tribe has a different culture, religion, beliefs etc.
There are registered Cherokee Indians that have blond hair, blue eyes and white skin from each Cherokee tribe. The United Keetoowah, Cherokee Nation and Eastern Band Cherokee, have members who resemble Elizabeth Warren. Obviously they are of mixed blood. No Cherokee tribe has a 4/4 tribal BQ. The Eastern Band, we have plenty of European looking people because the BQ is 1/16. The Nation in OK is the largest of all Cherokee tribes and do not have a Blood Quanta as a criteria for enrollment. So theoretically, a 3rd great grandparent who is Cherokee ancestor could only be 1/4 Cherokee and thus look more European. Flashing pictures is something a Cherokee will do to show evidence they are "Cherokee."
Elizabeth Warren cannot show via genealogy she is descended from a documented Cherokee ancestor from the final Dawes Rolls or any other Cherokee roll preceding the Dawes. Her claimed ancestry is the Nation in OK. She may have a Cherokee ancestor, unfortunately she cannot provide evidence to appease the Cherokee in OK, thus she is not Cherokee as she is not a recognized citizen.
Too many chiefs.....not enough Indians.
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She isn't in listed the Dawes Rolls and neither are ANY of her ancestors. It's been checked repeatedly. And yet she makes the claim. She's a fraud.
Stop defending the indefensible.
There is more than the Dawes Rolls. There are plenty of rolls for Cherokee people. Dawes was for allotment of land and thus is used for enrollment. Not being listed on the Dawes is not a total exclusion of Cherokee ancestry. If Elizabeth Warren could find ancestors on the various other rolls, she would be welcomed as a person of Cherokee ancestry. There are Cherokee who are unable to enroll due to the Dawes but ancestors could be found on other Cherokee Rolls. They may not be citizens but are of Cherokee ancestry.
Eastern Rolls - Cherokee East of the Mississippi
Reservation Rolls of 1817
Emigration Rolls of 1817
Henderson Roll of 1835
Mullay Roll of 1848
Siler Roll of 1851
Chapman Roll of 1852
Swetland Roll of 1869
Hester Roll of 1883
Churchill Roll of 1908
Baker Roll of 1924 - Final Roll used for enrollment Eastern Band
Eastern portion of the Guion Miller Roll of 1909
Western - Nation and Keetoowah
Old Settler Roll of 1851
Drennen Roll of 1852
Dawes Rolls of 1898-1914 - Final Roll
Western portion of the Guion Miller Roll of 1909
So, there is no question that some publications carried her minority status that is not the debate. You are claiming that she used her minority status to gain entrance to Harvard while ignoring the selection committees claim that they were unaware and also ignoring her qualifications.
She was HIRED by Harvard for their Law School faculty because they thought they could claim her as a minority due to her self-described but unproven minority status.
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But you have her listed in the AALS directory as a Native American so that's proof positive in your mind, which has nothing to do with the application process at Harvard in addition to all the applications to prior schools.
You seem to be mistaking college applications for employment opportunities. Penn and Harvard HIRED Warren to be on their faculty staff BECAUSE of her self-stated minority status, which of course turns out to be totally false.
Correction, she is not of supported Cherokee ancestry was the issue. Further, Native Americans don't have a unanimous culture, each tribe has a different culture, religion, beliefs etc.
There are registered Cherokee Indians that have blond hair, blue eyes and white skin from each Cherokee tribe. The United Keetoowah, Cherokee Nation and Eastern Band Cherokee, have members who resemble Elizabeth Warren. Obviously they are of mixed blood. No Cherokee tribe has a 4/4 tribal BQ. The Eastern Band, we have plenty of European looking people because the BQ is 1/16. The Nation in OK is the largest of all Cherokee tribes and do not have a Blood Quanta as a criteria for enrollment. So theoretically, a 3rd great grandparent who is Cherokee ancestor could only be 1/4 Cherokee and thus look more European. Flashing pictures is something a Cherokee will do to show evidence they are "Cherokee."
Elizabeth Warren cannot show via genealogy she is descended from a documented Cherokee ancestor from the final Dawes Rolls or any other Cherokee roll preceding the Dawes. Her claimed ancestry is the Nation in OK. She may have a Cherokee ancestor, unfortunately she cannot provide evidence to appease the Cherokee in OK, thus she is not Cherokee as she is not a recognized citizen.
Too many chiefs.....not enough Indians.
in a completely unrelated issue, a current legal case with a tribe over a girl who is only 1.6% Choctaw Indian.
This happened with a Cherokee Nation family as well some years ago. The ICWA get's involved.
The Choctaw Nation operates the same as the Creek and Cherokee Nation (and quite a few others) which is lineal decent only. 1.6%, that is about a 4th great grandparent, which would make her about (not considering cumulative from other ancestors 1/64. For those who don't understand, 1 out of her 64 great grandparents, one was Choctaw. Legally and politically, she is Choctaw though racially, she is by majority White. It's all a matter of the draw, meaning the Blood Quanta and enrollment. The Hopi in Arizona, one must be 1/4. Some are a rigid 1/2. Depending on cut off, makes one an Indian and if you're adoptable outside of Indian Country.
The thing to not confuse, although she is a Choctaw citizen by lineal descent does not make her "racially" Indian which I understand. She is only "Indian" in the legal sense that she "descends" from a Choctaw ancestor and parameters in which she was able to be enrolled. She is Choctaw and will be treated as any other Indian child from a fullblood to 1/128th etc....
She was HIRED by Harvard for their Law School faculty because they thought they could claim her as a minority due to her self-described but unproven minority status.
Pure speculation and lacking in facts.
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You seem to be mistaking college applications for employment opportunities. Penn and Harvard HIRED Warren to be on their faculty staff BECAUSE of her self-stated minority status, which of course turns out to be totally false.
"Although the conventional wisdom among students and faculty is thatthe Law School faculty includes no minority women, Chmura said Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American."
This happened with a Cherokee Nation family as well some years ago. The ICWA get's involved.
The Choctaw Nation operates the same as the Creek and Cherokee Nation (and quite a few others) which is lineal decent only. 1.6%, that is about a 4th great grandparent, which would make her about (not considering cumulative from other ancestors 1/64. For those who don't understand, 1 out of her 64 great grandparents, one was Choctaw. Legally and politically, she is Choctaw though racially, she is by majority White. It's all a matter of the draw, meaning the Blood Quanta and enrollment. The Hopi in Arizona, one must be 1/4. Some are a rigid 1/2. Depending on cut off, makes one an Indian and if you're adoptable outside of Indian Country.
The thing to not confuse, although she is a Choctaw citizen by lineal descent does not make her "racially" Indian which I understand. She is only "Indian" in the legal sense that she "descends" from a Choctaw ancestor and parameters in which she was able to be enrolled. She is Choctaw and will be treated as any other Indian child from a fullblood to 1/128th etc....
NDN politics.
That crap needs to stop. Period.
IMHO if a person's a quarter or less "minority"; then the 3 quarter "majority" status should be the official "race" ID.
If talking about some serious mixes here; like part American Indian, part Black, Part Asian all in the same person; it's called have the lawyers fight it out.
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