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Old 06-07-2016, 08:05 AM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 7 days ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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We get it, no need to troll the thread.
IF people got it they wouldn't be wronging him for some of his actions.

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You and Moochell would get along well.
If you're considering a career in stand-up, don't give up the day job.
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I didn't think Nancy Reagan deserved a full day or two of coverage, either.
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:20 AM
 
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He was a complicated and conflicted man.

His country forced him into his beliefs by their treatment of him and his people. I'm sure that he'd have been a lot more popular with his detractors if he'd just remained a mealy mouthed kneegrow, but that wasn't his style.

The man is my hero. I don't care what anyone says about him.

He converted to Islam ( racist Louis Farrakan type ) and changed his name.
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:25 AM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 7 days ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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He converted to Islam ( racist Louis Farrakan type ) and changed his name.
And left the "racist Farrakan(sic) type"

There's that pesky freedom of religion again.

And changed his name?

Oh, the horror!
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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One thing you did accomplish..waking the average citizen up to question any war that is forced on them by the government. Vietnam will always be a lesson learned.

That accomplished more than some wars that have been fought throughout history and may save lives in the long run.

I remember asking my Dad during the War if we would win. He said "I don't know". I asked him if we could win. He said "we could win in a day if we wanted to"

Even at 8 years old I thought that was very strange. Of course we could have won the war. We could have geared up a million soldiers and obliterated them. Why didn't we?

BS politics.

Sure WWIII would have been a hoot.......
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Old 06-07-2016, 09:11 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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He was a MAN with all the flaws that go along with it. Yes, he was taken in by that RACIST/ANTI-SEMITE CULT group Nation of Islam and they fleeced him of all his money because of it.
Lot's of good people fall for stupid ideas but he did eventually wake up.

Was he a good person? I don't know as I never personally knew him but I do know he was a great boxer and sportsman who, by all accounts was responsible for getting boxers a serious pay raise for all the risks they take.

One has to wonder what he'd have been like or done had he not beaten himself silly causing his brain to suffer Parkinson's.
THAT is the sad part, had he not suffered such severe trauma and not acquired Parkinson's what great things could he have accomplished?
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Old 06-07-2016, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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We get it, no need to troll the thread.

You and Moochell would get along well.
Why is that trolling. It's an excellent point. American often used Blacks, and then denied them equal rights. How could such an environment not affect a Black man like Clay?
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Old 06-07-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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And left the "racist Farrakan(sic) type"

There's that pesky freedom of religion again.

And changed his name?

Oh, the horror!


The Nation of Islam is a black supremecy cult.
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Old 06-07-2016, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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And left the "racist Farrakan(sic) type"

There's that pesky freedom of religion again.

And changed his name?

Oh, the horror!
Some of our fellow posters love freedom of religion...unless it's not their religion. Ali got that. He didn't just do what was popular.
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Old 06-07-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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I look at places like Iraq and wonder if we learned anything at all.




There was nothing to win there and there never is when you attempt fighting someone else's battle.
The government did not want us to win. We were held back. As much as I disliked Nixon, at least he got us out of there,
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