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Old 06-07-2016, 06:23 AM
 
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Do you know what a conspiracy is? Let's have a look. Here is the definition from Merriam Webster's:
Conspiracy : a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal.
So, we know that the Bilderburger's operate behind closed doors, in secret. They are famous for that. Why do they do that? Could it be to orchestrate activities that are harmful or even illegal?

Anyway, they are holding their annual meeting at in Dresden, Germany this year and are apparently very concerned about the "Brexit," which is the British referendum to possibly leave the EU.

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Bilderberg 2016: Desperate lobbying against Brexit from Big Business

"A disaster for everyone" is how Henri de Castries, the boss of AXA and a director of HSBC, describes Brexit. But in particular, it is a disaster for his banking and big business colleagues at Bilderberg.

For Bilderberg, as for Goldman Sachs, the idea that there might be any kind of push-back against globalisation is a horrific one. I suspect we'll glimpse some frowning faces behind the tinted glass as the limousines start rolling up on Thursday.

An integrated EU, with the City at its centre, is a key building block in a globalised world, and its potential loss is a huge concern for "the high priests of globalisation", as Will Hutton called the members of Bilderberg. The prospect of Brexit "frightens me", admit Ken Jacobs, the head of Lazard, and another member of Bilderberg's inner circle. Not much frightens these people. Only two things: sunlight and Brexit.
The Bilderburger's are the ultimate globalists. Globalism is of course represented here in this country by Barack Obama and his crew. Hillary Clinton will also carry that torch if she is elected, regardless of any lies she tells to the contrary prior to the election. Donald Trump - who has been a Democrat nearly all of his adult life - may also, as he is like Hillary such an epic liar that you really cannot trust a single word that comes out of his mouth.

Anyway, people express concern about "nationalists" - people who are proud of their nations and want to protect and defend the people in them - but globalists are worse, as they want to see the ability to provide any such protection taken away, once and for all, for the benefit of a tiny group of elite leaders, such as the Bilderburgers.

If the British vote to leave the EU, that would be a cold slap in the face to their plans, as the integration provided by the EU has been a huge success in their view. Who do these people in the UK think they are, voting their own interests and against the interests of their betters? Or even voting for that matter?
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Old 06-07-2016, 07:59 AM
 
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The Bilderburger's are the ultimate globalists. Globalism is of course represented here in this country by Barack Obama and his crew. Hillary Clinton will also carry that torch if she is elected, regardless of any lies she tells to the contrary prior to the election. Donald Trump - who has been a Democrat nearly all of his adult life - may also, as he is like Hillary such an epic liar that you really cannot trust a single word that comes out of his mouth.
What you don't seem to understand, is that globalization cannot be stopped. What do you think colonialism and imperialism were? They were a form of globalization involving a multitude of competing "powers", all carving the world up into "spheres of influence", for purposes of maintaining control of resources to feed their industrial empires.

After WWII, the European colonial powers had all collapsed, and all that was left, was two major imperial powers, the United States and the Soviet Union, each carving up the world between one-another, and their prospective allies/dependencies.

Europe came together for a variety of reasons post-WWII. To some extent, it was because they had all lost their empires and were desperate for new trading partners. Partly, it was the result of American hegemonic intervention, creating a pro-Western union to resist Soviet expansion(which still continues today, with activities in Eastern Europe to stop Russian hegemony there). And partially to create a new European union, which more-accurately could be called a "European empire", which itself could resist American and Soviet economic hegemony, thereby, in a sense, creating a third world "superpower".


The world has been "centralizing" for literally thousands of years. And centralized power is always stronger than any form of decentralization. And the centralization of all power into a single political unit(IE a one-world government), is an inevitability.

The only real question is what that government is going to look like, and who is going to run it?


The Bilderberg meeting, is about bringing together Western world leaders and industrialists, basically "the elites" of all Western countries. Because the elites are the ones who really have the power in these countries, and are thus able to guide their prospective countries in the direction which is of most-use to themselves.

The elites in every country are not nationalists. Bill Gates is no nationalist, neither is Mark Zuckerberg, or any other CEO for that matter. And this is especially true in the financial sector, finance knows no borders.


Nationalism has always been the domain of the common people, the elites are internationalists. One glance at George Orwell's, "England your England", would tell you everything you need to know.

"In England patriotism takes different forms in different classes, but it runs like a connecting thread through nearly all of them. Only the Europeanized intelligentsia are really immune to it. As a positive emotion it is stronger in the middle class than in the upper class – the cheap public schools, for instance, are more given to patriotic demonstrations than the expensive ones – but the number of definitely treacherous rich men, the Laval-Quisling type, is probably very small. In the working class patriotism is profound, but it is unconscious. The working man's heart does not leap when he sees a Union Jack. But the famous ‘insularity’ and ‘xenophobia’ of the English is far stronger in the working class than in the bourgeoisie. In all countries the poor are more national than the rich, but the English working class are outstanding in their abhorrence of foreign habits. Even when they are obliged to live abroad for years they refuse either to accustom themselves to foreign food or to learn foreign languages. Nearly every Englishman of working-class origin considers it effeminate to pronounce a foreign word correctly. During the war of 1914-18 the English working class were in contact with foreigners to an extent that is rarely possible. The sole result was that they brought back a hatred of all Europeans, except the Germans, whose courage they admired." - George Orwell, England your England, 1941

George Orwell: Part I: England Your England


But how do the common people defeat the elites? Over the long-term, I don't believe they can. The elites control almost all of the information that the vast majority of the people see and hear.

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Old 06-07-2016, 08:03 AM
 
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England is going to exit the EU and after that they are going to expel most of the migrants of the last 20 years. They are not going to become some Muslim cesspool like Germany would love to see happen.
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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Brexit or no Brexit doesn't even matter if the U.K. is going to espouse the same
practices internally as the E.U. does, regarding immigration. The E.U. states
are changing electorally, to reflect a reactionary trend, this is evident in major
E.U. countries.

Specifically pertaining to the U.K., I expect a "Constitutional Crisis" to come to
the fore when Charles assumes the throne. The monarchy has significant powers
which Elizabeth has been inclined to ignore, but the prevalent opinion is that
Charles, and even William, will attempt to actually use their powers.

It could be the crown that saves England.
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:20 AM
 
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F*u*c*k Bilderberg!


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But how do the common people defeat the elites? Over the long-term, I don't believe they can. The elites control almost all of the information that the vast majority of the people see and hear.
Little pessimistic, no? I think things have changed greatly with the Internet-people are becoming more and more aware everyday...And generally people become VERY unhappy/uncooperative when it is realized they have been lied to and decisions were being made behind closed doors to shape their futures...
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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Snowball,

The UK does not have a constitution.

However, you make an interesting point about King Charles or King William.
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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Little pessimistic, no? I think things have changed greatly with the Internet-people are becoming more and more aware everyday...And generally people become VERY unhappy/uncooperative when it is realized they have been lied to and decisions were being made behind closed doors to shape their futures...
If anything, the internet will usher-in global-governance faster than anything else.


The need for "global-governance" is fundamentally the need for global-trade. All globalism is, is global-trade, with a legal apparatus to enforce international "norms".


There is no such thing as America. There is no American culture. There is no American identity. And this all becomes more and more true every day.


The moment the legal/social system of capitalism was invented, globalism became an inevitability.
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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Mega-corporations are the instruments of world domination. They move into countries where cheap labor, land, and resources are abundant, and they take over. This is what they’re meant to do. This is the plan.

As Globalist policies allow corporations to shut down domestic factories in industrialized countries and open up those same factories in places where slave wages are the order of the day; as tariffs on imported goods are canceled, killing off businesses that try to compete with mega-corporations; as leading economies decline…

The consumer base for these mega-corporations shrinks.

Globalism, the very system that is determined to elevate the power of mega-corporations, is diminishing the number of people who can consume what the corporations make.

In my opinion, Globalism is the biggest disaster

Creating money out of thin air to satisfy the avarice of banks, to pay off governments’ soaring debt, to boost corporate bottom lines is one thing. Creating money out of nothing to make six or seven billion brand new consumers is quite another thing.

For the sake of future, one has to think about the word "globalism". You don't have to like Michael Savage, you can even say the guy has little credibility, but one thing he said is absolutely true, "border, language, culture, there, you have a country." There is no doubt that the goal of globalism is to abolish country identity. So the world becomes one. The goal is to benefit mega-corporations, not YOU.
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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Mega-corporations are the instruments of world domination. They move into countries where cheap labor, land, and resources are abundant, and they take over. This is what they’re meant to do. This is the plan.

As Globalist policies allow corporations to shut down domestic factories in industrialized countries and open up those same factories in places where slave wages are the order of the day; as tariffs on imported goods are canceled, killing off businesses that try to compete with mega-corporations; as leading economies decline…

The consumer base for these mega-corporations shrinks.

Globalism, the very system that is determined to elevate the power of mega-corporations, is diminishing the number of people who can consume what the corporations make.

In my opinion, Globalism is the biggest disaster

Creating money out of thin air to satisfy the avarice of banks, to pay off governments’ soaring debt, to boost corporate bottom lines is one thing. Creating money out of nothing to make six or seven billion brand new consumers is quite another thing.

For the sake of future, one has to think about the word "globalism". You don't have to like Michael Savage, you can even say the guy has little credibility, but one thing he said is absolutely true, "border, language, culture, there, you have a country." There is no doubt that the goal of globalism is to abolish country identity. So the world becomes one. The goal is to benefit mega-corporations, not YOU.
Agreed. Just about everything our puppet politicians do is furthering the goal of global economic hegemony for the nationless corporations and banks that have hi-jacked our Government (and others) while diminishing national borders. Is it any wonder that Congress has the worst approval rating in history, less than 10%?

I don't think it's sustainable. People are dumb, but they're not THAT dumb....
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Old 06-07-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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Agreed. Just about everything our puppet politicians do is furthering the goal of global economic hegemony for the nationless corporations and banks that have hi-jacked our Government (and others) while diminishing national borders. Is it any wonder that Congress has the worst approval rating in history, less than 10%?

I don't think it's sustainable. People are dumb, but they're not THAT dumb....
agreed.

I also believe people are dumb, because they(we) fight with each other. countries vs countries, left vs right, liberals vs conservative.

But people are not that dumb, they know their daily life has zero improvement.

People should be united, once people are united, politicians can do no harm. But I don't think this is going to happen.
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