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Old 06-08-2016, 07:03 AM
 
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Your question: "why is the United States "everywhere on the globe"?

Do you have an answer of your own?
I really don't. It makes no sense. We can come up with some ideas but if these are true we are being run by sociopaths.

We have run off so many jobs that the government has to employ young people in some manner. Without the wars we couldn't justify so many in the military.

We can't have rogue nations even those with no ability to dismiss the dollar grumbling about doing just that. We have to show what happens when you don't support our welfare, wall street programs. It doesn't matter that you are on the other side of the world, we have debt to accumulate.

Then we have the sick bastards like Cheney, Graham and McCain that I can explain away no other way than to assume they are simply that, sick bastards.

Hillary has to show that she has balls. Many would have loved a woman president but not one that thinks she can be as tough as any man even when the men are wrong. I can't explain Obama at all. He said all the right things to get elected and then immediately did the opposite. I blame his supporters as much as I do him.

 
Old 06-08-2016, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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I just posted it on another thread- the military and weapons moguls already have lobbyist pushing to spend billions to upgrade -nuclear weapons,,, forget the pres. Military already to get funded no matter who is chief. Some just love war. Period
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That's due to greater automation and mechanization. Even China is shrinking its military to be more nimble.
The nature of warfare (and of the overriding art of statecraft, for that matter) has changed -- and will continue to do so, And the underlying tensions between nations will continue to plague us until a truly global society (what sci-fi whiter James Blish called "Earthmanization" runs its course -- all you conspiracy theorists may now rant).

But the fact is, that there are, and likely will be for a long time, a clique of losers and misfits who think that anyone who has more currency, brain cells and scruples than they do must have gotten them by exploiting someone else. Over the years we've called them Jacobins, Junkers, Marxists, Nazis, and assorted other riffraff -- and some of the flakiest and least pragmatic of the current crop of "Social Justice Warriors" and (pseudo-)"progressives" aren't that far removed.

So the civilized world has required a policeman ever since the Enlightenment, the Renaissance, and the "discovery" of the New World caused the nation-state model to supplant feudalism. That role passed from the Spaniards, to the French, then the British, and finally the Americans -- and it now appears that a nation more interested in bread, circuses, and "sexual exploration" than global responsibility is preparing to abdicate.

Fortunately for all of us, the spectre of an ideologically-misguided and fully-industrialized butcher-state along the lines of Nazi Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union is no longer trying to stare us down. We face only the likes of North Korea and Iran, but they, and the motley crew of ISIS and the like can still do lots of damage. Neither China nor Putin's Russia scares me that much -- they know that the cost of total, industrialized warfare is far too great.

But there remains the (hopefully) remote possibility of a lone madman.

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Old 06-08-2016, 07:20 AM
 
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The nature of warfare (and of the overriding at of statecraft, for that matter) has changed -- and will continue to do so, And the underlying tensions between nations will continue to plague us until a truly global society (what sci-fi whiter James Blish called "Earthmanization" runs its course -- all you conspiracy theorists may now rant).

But the fact is, that there are, and likely will be for a long time, a clique of losers and misfits who think that anyone who has more currency, brain cells and scruples than they do must have gotten them by exploiting someone else. Over the years we've called them Jacobins, Junkers, Marxists, Nazis, and assorted other riffraff -- and some of the flakiest and least pragmatic of the current crop of "Social Justice Warriors" and (pseudo-)"progressives" aren't that far removed.
It's those with things that are starting the wars.
 
Old 06-08-2016, 07:23 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I just posted it on another thread- the military and weapons moguls already have lobbyist pushing to spend billions to upgrade -nuclear weapons,,, forget the pres. Military already to get funded no matter who is chief. Some just love war. Period
The sad part is Eisenhower warned us of exactly what's happening in his farewell speech and much to our detriment we completely ignored that warning.
 
Old 06-08-2016, 07:31 AM
 
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The sad part is Eisenhower warned us of exactly what's happening in his farewell speech and much to our detriment we completely ignored that warning.
What's even more sad, it was Eisenhower that first got us involved in Vietnam. Just like so many politicians, words out one end, actions out the other.
 
Old 06-08-2016, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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It's those with things that are starting the wars.
Respectfully, I have to disagree. With the exception of the minority of alienated losers guzzling their drug of choice in front of the tube, most citizens of a mature, economically-developed society are relatively contented. It's the rabble in the street to whom the high-placed, high-minded few (a lot of whom call themselves "progressives") seek to pander. Consider Canada, which polices its immigrants (upon whom it relies heavily to get the dirty, menial jobs done) far more carefully, and rewards them adequately, and by a different standard than that applied to, and followed by native-born Canadian citizens.

That system isn't working as well down here -- and it's the lies and unrealistic expectations fostered by both major parties (but far more so the "progressive" Democrats) which are to blame.
 
Old 06-08-2016, 07:44 AM
 
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Respectfully, I have to disagree. With the exception of the minority of alienated losers guzzling their drug of choice in front of the tube, most citizens of a mature, economically-developed society are relatively contented. It's the rabble in the street to whom the high-placed, high-minded few (a lot of whom call themselves "progressives") seek to pander. Consider Canada, which polices its immigrants (upon whom it relies to get the dirty jobs done) far more carefully, and rewards them adequately.

That system isn't working as well down here -- and it's the lies and unrealistic expectations fostered by both major parties (but far more so the "progressive" Democrats) which is to blame.
Boehnor wasn't forced out for no reason. Sadly he was replaced with a clone.

It's those who try and find more blame with one side or the other that is to blame. Both parties are utterly corrupt.

Both parties are war mongers starting worthless wars.
 
Old 06-08-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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What's even more sad, it was Eisenhower that first got us involved in Vietnam. Just like so many politicians, words out one end, actions out the other.
True, but I still have to blame LBJ for pulling the trigger.
 
Old 06-08-2016, 07:47 AM
 
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True, but I still have to blame LBJ for pulling the trigger.
It very well may have happened anyway but you would think that one that said the things Eisenhower said would have known better. It seems not.
 
Old 06-08-2016, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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In his work Area Code 215, the late author and naturalist Walter Teller pointed out that, unfortunately for all of us, an economy on a wartime footing creates a far less-tedious variety of jobs than a post-industrial society where too many of us are expected to do menial work and project a phony, faux-outgoing, subservient attitude. I suspect that one of the major reasons for the manifestation of the call-center model for much of service work is that it allows some of the most degrading aspects of such work to be downplayed -- to the chagrin of spoiled suburban "trailing spouses" who are conditioned to expect too much attention.

Every successful society has fostered a "warrior caste" and despite the criticism of the far Left, our media continue to respect and venerate that role for both professional military and law enforcement. It's not going to go away.
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