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Old 06-12-2016, 09:44 PM
 
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That would take a Constitutional Amendment. The Constitution does not grant the government that authority.
Since it doesn't, it is a 10th Amendment issue.
They do have the 16th amendment in their favor, to force compliance.
Possibly less unconstitutional than Medicare. i.e. that will stop no party intent on more UHC.
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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The current healthcare system in the US will continue on until it no longer can. Likely when that cost approaches more than 20% or so of GDP it'll collapse as no longer being affordable for anyone.
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:12 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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I'll be perfectly specific.

It isn't working for the benefit of America and American's.

To be fair, however, it is working splendidly for , and to the benefit of a few Obama's crony Insurance companies who are making out like bandits.
I am squarely middle class and I haven't noticed a change. Then again, I am a healthy male in my early 30s so I've been use to bearing the brunt of costs to help out those with pre-existing conditions and all the obese folks who can't be bothered to take care of themselves.

The best thing about ACA, people are actually figuring out how expensive healthcare is and hopefully the fatties (who account for 20% of healthcare costs) can learn to put down the fork when their budgets get hit.
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Old 06-13-2016, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Houston
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That would take a Constitutional Amendment. The Constitution does not grant the government that authority.
Since it doesn't, it is a 10th Amendment issue.
They do have the 16th amendment in their favor, to force compliance.
No. We were just discussing the fact that in reality it wouldn't because of the 16th. Medicare operates at the federal level. Did that require a constitutional amendment?


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I am squarely middle class and I haven't noticed a change. Then again, I am a healthy male in my early 30s so I've been use to bearing the brunt of costs to help out those with pre-existing conditions and all the obese folks who can't be bothered to take care of themselves.

The best thing about ACA, people are actually figuring out how expensive healthcare is and hopefully the fatties (who account for 20% of healthcare costs) can learn to put down the fork when their budgets get hit.
You ARE aware that not everyone who is a "fatty" is due to diet, right?
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Old 06-13-2016, 08:22 AM
 
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So you want the entire medical system to be run like the VA?

No Thanks.
No, who said anything about the VA? Do you think the VA is the only way on earth to run universal healthcare?
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Old 06-13-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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The current healthcare system in the US will continue on until it no longer can. Likely when that cost approaches more than 20% or so of GDP it'll collapse as no longer being affordable for anyone.
HC is too important, and if necessary deficit spending will always supplement it. Similar to a world war, our limits will be dictated by our medical sector productivity, not money.
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:02 PM
 
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HC is too important, and if necessary deficit spending will always supplement it. Similar to a world war, our limits will be dictated by our medical sector productivity, not money.
Hahaha haha



No.


Medical sector is overburdened by the cost of chronic care and the requirements set on it by the government which has been increasing. Add to the lower rates of repayment and you are going no where fast.

You can't deficit spend forever. You either make cuts or lose the whole thing.
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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Hahaha haha



No.


Medical sector is overburdened by the cost of chronic care and the requirements set on it by the government which has been increasing. Add to the lower rates of repayment and you are going no where fast.

You can't deficit spend forever. You either make cuts or lose the whole thing.
Sure you can, and we will when we finally realize that we will have to.

Seniors will not be going without their HC. And there will simply not be enough money in 50 years to pay for all their needs. Barring medical miracles.

Again, our limits will be in our ability to deliver all the necessary senior HC services, not in the money required to pay for it all.

Just like WW2 when we created all the money needed to essentially double our GDP in a few years to fight the war. We were productivity bound, not fiat bound.

Do you think our National Debt will be the same, higher or lower in 10 years? 100 years?
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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No. We were just discussing the fact that in reality it wouldn't because of the 16th. Medicare operates at the federal level. Did that require a constitutional amendment?

Medicare is not 100% full government funded take over, placing all medical personnel on the government payroll. It is classified as assistance, as in insurance. Exactly like Social Security.
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:22 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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No, who said anything about the VA? Do you think the VA is the only way on earth to run universal healthcare?

That is the federal Government model. It is their experience and their design.
It is no different than the European model, where specialized care takes months.
My friends over there in my profession, have knee injuries, like they do here. One bloke, had to wait 9 months to have surgery, with no income, government put him on assistance immediately(welfare.. More cost to the tax payer)
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