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Old 06-14-2016, 08:49 AM
 
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Ya, for the last 100 years of ownership, that's what AMERICANS have planned.

Why do you need the internet? Why do you need to coach LL, are you a pedophile? Why do you need to be a Pastor? Can't get a date?

A smart phone, a fancy car, a college degree, a big house? You missed your calling as you could have lived in Cuba where everyone thinks for you. Comrade.
Good analogies and point well taken, but I think the analogy more in keeping with the question as to why a weapon like that would be more like why a LL coach needs to bring sex toys and lubricant to LL practice instead of just the customary bats, balls and mitts...
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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Default Same gun

Image contains two rifles.

Both are about the same length, use the same ammo, carry the same number of rounds, have about the same rate of fire.

The only significant difference is appearance.
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:59 AM
 
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a weapon like that ....
Define for us what "weapon like that" is. Other that selective fire what is the fundamental difference between an M-14 and any semi auto hunting rifle that makes it a "weapon like that"?

If I have an "assault rifle" that shoots .22's and have a common semi auto .22 what is the difference that makes it a "weapon like that".
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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My understanding is many of the issues associated with the Saiga are either wrong ammo and/or modifications.




There is no "wrong ammo" within shells of the correct gauge and length. (barring improperly loaded hand loads of course)

When any weapon is that finicky about the brand of ammo used, the problem is not the fault of the ammo, it's an unreliable weapon.....period.
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I have to agree. Ultimately the bans will have to include any weapon which allows you to dump a spent magazines and rapidly reload. Meaning standard pistols from the GI 45 with its standard 7 round magazines on up. But if that happens then something like the GI Garand M1 with its ejecting clip will just reappear
Here in CA you can no longer purchase a rifle with ejecting clips. They are now welded or "fixed" clips.

But, this isn't enough for the gun grabbing rights infringing maniacs running this state:

Those with a bullet button would have until 2018 to register their gun and those found after that date with such a device installed on an unregistered rifle would be liable to a felony charge and up to a year in prison.


Again, just like the 10 clip laws passed last year, they are making felons out of millions of law abiding citizens.
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:24 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Here in CA you can no longer purchase a rifle with ejecting clips. They are now welded or "fixed" clips.

But, this isn't enough for the gun grabbing rights infringing maniacs running this state:

Those with a bullet button would have until 2018 to register their gun and those found after that date with such a device installed on an unregistered rifle would be liable to a felony charge and up to a year in prison.


Again, just like the 10 clip laws passed last year, they are making felons out of millions of law abiding citizens.
CA is tapped out. Where are they going to get the money to build and staff all of those new jails? Brown is smarter than that but Newsome? He would pass all of them.
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:36 AM
 
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You are something like shooting at a moving target in a dust storm...
That's only because you keep moving the goal posts in your responses.

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First you were going on about how nothing matters in light of what time it takes before the police arrive. I simply pointed out the issue was not about how long before police arrive but how quickly a nut case with a rapid fire weapon can kill so many people in such a short amount of time. Then you roped me in with all the rest I just couldn't understand, in typical gun enthusiast badge-of-honor fashion, knowing oh so macho about all variety of guns.
Because, despite you're being the OP of this thread, which asks a question that assumes you are genuinely interested in knowing the answer to.....you keep ignoring that facts as they are explained to you.

I didn't "rope you in" with anything, I simply tried to educate you a little bit on a subject that's not nearly as complicated as you are making it out to be. I provided two videos (which I'm sure you probably didn't watch) that explain exactly what is and is not an "Assault Weapon" as well as destroying the myth of how limiting magazine size will give police time to respond or people time to make an escape. But apparently you aren't really interested in knowing the facts about the question you ask in the OP.....


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I understand all plenty well enough to recognize the futility of gun control in America. I also understand that the likes of what happened in Florida is going to be a part of life in America unlike anywhere else in the modern world. Much like cancer, there simply is no known cure...

Then why are you endorsing a hypothetical ban based on mathematical gibberish that would pretty much make everything short of a single shot weapon illegal and also fail miserably without door to door confiscations....which gun control advocates (including you) keep saying they don't want?
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:06 AM
 
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Define for us what "weapon like that" is. Other that selective fire what is the fundamental difference between an M-14 and any semi auto hunting rifle that makes it a "weapon like that"?

If I have an "assault rifle" that shoots .22's and have a common semi auto .22 what is the difference that makes it a "weapon like that".
You're off track. Check back through the comments to find the question written by someone else asking someone else about the need for a "weapon like that."
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:16 AM
 
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You're off track. Check back through the comments to find the question written by someone else asking someone else about the need for a "weapon like that."
You have made the statement "weapon like that." but are unable to define what a "weapon like that." is....

/end thread
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:19 AM
 
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That's only because you keep moving the goal posts in your responses.

Because, despite you're being the OP of this thread, which asks a question that assumes you are genuinely interested in knowing the answer to.....you keep ignoring that facts as they are explained to you.

I didn't "rope you in" with anything, I simply tried to educate you a little bit on a subject that's not nearly as complicated as you are making it out to be. I provided two videos (which I'm sure you probably didn't watch) that explain exactly what is and is not an "Assault Weapon" as well as destroying the myth of how limiting magazine size will give police time to respond or people time to make an escape. But apparently you aren't really interested in knowing the facts about the question you ask in the OP.....

Then why are you endorsing a hypothetical ban based on mathematical gibberish that would pretty much make everything short of a single shot weapon illegal and also fail miserably without door to door confiscations....which gun control advocates (including you) keep saying they don't want?
Very humorous. You have apparently construed a good deal about what I have written that I would invite you to find in my comments. I've really hardly done more than ask questions, with sincere interest toward how we might better define what should or should not be banned. You go around and around, then ask me my point, again making clear you don't know what you are going on about, other than the want to educate me on a subject that at least we agree is not complicated.

Not rocket science by any means but no shortage of "education" when it comes to all aspects of guns from those who seem to think about nothing else...

http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ns-banned.html

My question upon starting this thread was really just the notion that such a weapon need not be defined in terms of its particular characteristics (size, shape, bullets, etc.) other than speed of fire and/or potential kill rate, if in fact there was an effort to ban such weapons. Fact is, however, I don't believe any such ban would be practical or effective even if there could be an easy and mutually agreed upon definition of such a weapon.

As I've commented more than once, I don't really believe there is an answer to the problem of gun violence in America. We're pretty well f**ked I think, no matter what we do...
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