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Old 06-12-2016, 05:47 PM
 
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Well, except that he acts like he is on their side but has to pretend to hide it. Like everything else, he isn't very good at hiding it either.
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Old 06-12-2016, 05:51 PM
 
Location: USA
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Christians and others are just as anti gay-- nothing to do with Obama-- find something else
Odd, considering the 1000s of gay friendly churches in this country? Look up the # of gay friendly mosques? None
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Old 06-12-2016, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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LOL!!!
The five so-called gay imams are 5 around the world and the one in the states is repudiated and not even considered an Imam.

1. UNITED STATES: Daayiee Abdullah
The concept of a gay imam is so foreign to the American mainstream psyche that Daayiee Abdullah has so far been featured all over the media in places like The Washington Post, The New York Times, and Al-Jazeera, among others. “Sometimes necessity is the mother of invention. And because of the necessity in our community, that’s why I came into this particular role,” he told Al-Jazeera, talking about how he was thrown into being an imam when all the local imams refused to give a gay Muslim the last rites, forcing the scholar to step in. “Being an openly gay imam and having been identified as such, I do get a lot of feedback and also kickback, but that’s OK. I think that when people are unfamiliar with things, they tend to have an emotional knee-jerk reaction to it.”
2. SOUTH AFRICA: Muhsin Hendricks
In the late 1990s, Muhsin Hendricks came out to his community and started Al Fitrah (The Natural), an organization he believed would help LGBT Muslims understand their natural sexuality is okay with Allah. Today, over 15 years later, his community has grown hugely. The Inner Circle, which is another organization he started, has organized many international conferences, published material, and allows him to participate in the overall discussion on Islam and homosexuality around the world. “We can never change the Koran, but we can change our interpretation of it,” he told Qantara, the German portal that works in the intercultural dialogue between Islam and Germany. “Today, we live in a different world than over a thousand years ago. We have to look at the Koran again and see how Islam can become a mercy for a part of the community that is suffering at the moment.”
3. FRANCE: Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed
When he was a teenager in Algeria, Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed became so depressed about the reconciliation between his sexuality and faith that he left Islam. Years later, armed with more information, he returned to the faith. This time around, he decided to make a change. “Today in France, gay teenagers are almost 15 times more likely than those who are straight to kill themselves because of their sexual orientation,” he wrote in The Guardian, explaining why he started a gay-friendly mosque in Paris. “Left deeply bruised by this fact, I decided to create an association in support of gay French Muslims, which launched in 2010. This eventually led me to plan an inclusive mosque in Paris – the first of its kind. It is a project born after a long personal journey.”
4. CANADA: El-Farouk Khaki
In 1993, El-Farouk Khaki started what ended up being the first support group for LGBT Muslims in Canada. Salaam Canada is now one of the major organizations in the Muslim community who are giving people alternative information to the traditional, and generally homophobic, perspective. The El-Tawhid Juma Circle, which is a gender-equal and LGBTQ affirming space for Friday prayers, was created in 2009, and Khaki has been one of the imams at their local mosque in Toronto. “It’s always a challenge for a gay person to come to terms with any faith,” he told The Star. “Why would God create gay men to be second-class citizens? Why did he create them only to have them condemned?”
5. GERMANY: Rahal Eks
Rahal Eks is the author of several memoirs, including the upcoming “On the Path of the Friend,” in which he details his encounter with Sufism and how it changed his life. Since the mid 1990s, he has been leading Sufi evenings on Thursdays in Morocco, Spain, and Germany. Like his teachers, who are from three different schools of Sufism, he never saw a conflict between sexuality and Islam. “I was very lucky by having encountered some Sufi teachers, whose ideas about Islam and homosexuality were rather progressive and accepting, who explained things to me in a different light than the average fossilized Mullah,” he told me in my book ***** Jihad. “Combined with my happy years living in the Arab World, and having enjoyed wonderful relationships, I managed to achieve a harmonic integrity of all my aspects where spirituality and sensuality form a holistic totality, not being fragmented or at war. Plus, I also love and accept myself, which is really a vital point and a must. So I think the main credit for achieving this must go to the Sufi Tradition, as it really is the main helper and positive impact.”
Note: There are several others in Muslim-majority countries, but they have been excluded from this list to make sure their safety is not compromised. If you are aware of them, please do not mention them in the comments section. Thank you.
Afdhere Jama is the author of ***** Jihad: LGBT Muslims on Coming Out, Activism, and the Faith. He lives in the United States.


Do you just post garbage for no reason? The headlines are made to attract, but gays are not accepted in Islam. PERIOD.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:00 PM
 
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Tiny Trump, it was homosexuals that killed that Shepherd fellow. Look it up.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:07 PM
 
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What do you mean, deflecting? I responded to comments that Christians would never do such a thing. I disagree. Some could, and some have. I do agree that this could be an act of zealotry, and zealots of any stripe are scary. I find Muslims in general no scarier or more threatening than any other religion, because violent zealots are few and far between. My boss lives outside Phoenix, where there have been a rash of random freeway shootings. There have been some near me too. Very few of the mass shootings and random violence that has been happening has anything to do with religion. I'm not jumping on the bandwagon, sorry.
Well than you're very foolish. I can't stand bible thumpers, people like the Fred Phelps group make me ill. As crazy as they are picketing funerals of military people, they're not going into public places killing people.

This one certainly has to do with religion.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:38 PM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Well than you're very foolish. I can't stand bible thumpers, people like the Fred Phelps group make me ill. As crazy as they are picketing funerals of military people, they're not going into public places killing people.

This one certainly has to do with religion.
Perhaps I am foolish. A while back, I realized I couldn't be part of a religious community whose deity killed everyone on earth except for one family, or wiped out two cities because of homosexual residents. I read all kinds of back-and-forth about this translation and that interpretation, but the majority of that community believes that the cause was homosexuality. My own mother believes this. My mother also does a lot of charitable works that genuinely help people. So I know a book can say some bat**** things and people can believe bat**** things, but I'm not ready to write all of them off.

Yet, anyway.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Somebody needs to speak up on this!
I've always wondered why most refugees in Europe are young males, I rarely see any elderly and females...what kind of man would leave his wife behind? OK, the elderly probably cannot travel that long, but where are the females? I see mostly males with or without children. MSM refuses to comment on this.
Frankly, I only feel sorry for the children and the disabled and sick among the adults. Call me crazy but we might need an "only children and women" policy for refugees. Islam is traditional, so those two groups should have special protection, no?! Females are more peaceful and less likely to be terrorist. I'm not in feminist mode, that's the reality, female aggression is usually (not always, but more often than not) less overt and more passive-aggressive. Guys are the ones that like to play with guns, knifes and blow things up.

Christians have the crusades to be ashamed of and the witch hunts. But that was loooong ago. However, I think Hindus, Buddhists, New Agers and Neo Pagans are the most peaceful bunch.

You mean like the wife of the pair that killed so many in San Bernardino?

Yeah, you're crazy.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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How many gay people have been murdered in Muslim countries since Matt Shepherd was killed? His killers are on death row, Muslims who kill gays are celebrated as heroes. Christians refuse to bake cakes and refuse to sign gay marriage certificates, Muslims kill you. You really don't see a difference? Kim Davis is really as bad as Omar Manteen?

If Liberals keep being in denial things will only get worse. The greatest threat to gay rights and feminism is the rapid growth of Islam in First World countries with low native fertility rates. What happens when all of Europe is majority Muslim? You think they won't pass Sharia Law via democratic vote?
Public beheadings

Publics stonings
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