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About 1.5 million people in Florida have a concealed carry permit. 300 people in that club and nobody had a gun? Or was another 'gun free zone'?
When the shooting started, none of the 300 people though about rushing the shooter when he was reloading?
About 1.5 million people in Florida have a concealed carry permit. 300 people in that club and nobody had a gun? Or was another 'gun free zone'?
When the shooting started, none of the 300 people thought about rushing the shooter when he was reloading?
300 drunks at 2am? Think about about it. BTW there are three off duty police officers inside already dealing with him.
Knowing how well trained Russians are, do you think Americans could have done better or do your think there would have been a higher body count if they entered earlier?
these horrific examples involved terrorists making political demands like Russia withdrawing from Chechnya. all this guy did was call 911 pledging support for ISIS.
I think with each terrorist situation, procedures are updated. special forces stormed the Bataclan in Paris pretty quickly.
Everyone in there was an adult I assume and in good shape, good enough to go party lol. A group of adult men can handle any other adult male, assuming he isn't Chuck Norris because Chuck Norris one time defeated 100 ninjas, while he was blind folded.
Use you imagination, punch him in the face, choke him, grab the rifle, push him to the ground, do something.
Men use to be fighters. Even the simple farmer would pick up his pitchfork and fight to the death. Even gay men rode to battle, like Alexander the Great, who led chargers from the front against enemies who usually outnumbered him 5 to 1. Then after victory, he went to camp and smashed his gay lover.
Men use to fight.
Not too many men
have an opportunity to face off with a lunatic with a machine gun in the dark, especially after an evening of drinking.
More than 250 did survive. Location probably mattered.
IMO you only negotiate in a hostage situation BEFORE shots are fired. In an active shooter situation, all negotiations stop. I don't think it was the right call to wait for 3 hours, which seems like an insanely long time when people are dying, but that's easy to say from the safety of my home. I believe if he didn't call to say he had a bomb vest, the SWAT team would have had the place swarmed in minutes and the death toll would have been much lower.
Quite a dilema. They storm and the whole place blows potentially with no survivors.
Yes. The time is an OUTRAGE! It is because it was a gay club. Let's just admit that. The Orlando cops weren't going to risk their lives for a bunch of ****.
The accepted norm is to make entry IMMEDIATELY with assets on hand and engage once the first person has a backup. Not wait three hoyrs for SWAT.
Why was this not done here - while young people BLED OUT.
What " accepted norm?
TV? A movie?
Reportedly the shooter said he was wearing a bomb.
The decision by Orlando, Fla., police to wait nearly three hours before forcing their way into the Pulse nightclub where gunman Omar Mateen had massacred 49 was criticized as out of step with military guidelines for dealing with potential weapons of mass destruction. SWAT expert: Cops waited too long | Boston Herald
“My initial concern was you have people in there that have been killed or severely wounded. I wonder how many people bled to death in that three hours,” he said.
Grollnek, a consultant who conducts active-shooter training for law enforcement, said the decision by police commanders in Florida to hold back SWAT team members suggests the lessons of Columbine haven’t been learned.
“When we see SWAT teams respond and not making entry creates victims,” he said. “Period. End of story.” https://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/1...acking-gunman/
I agree, they make perfect targets for this type of thing. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. There needs to be more exits in these places, for fires and events like this.
Building codes are determined by municipalities, not the federal government.
Gun free zones are established by the state and/ or municipality within state.
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