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Old 06-15-2016, 06:57 PM
 
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Did you read the OP? How is banning Muslims, temporarily or permanently going to prevent terrorist attacks when the last several Muslim rampages in the US were committed by Americans, not foreigners?
That's a government failure.
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:01 PM
 
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Ban everyone other than Native Americans. Hey great idea huh, & then we can all (those remaining not Native, which is MOST of us) then pack up & move to a 3rd W country like Columbia or Venezuela -- as soon this place will look worse w/ our gov't now & the farce yet to-be-named in office next election.
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:29 PM
 
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truth:

the overwhelming majority of domestic terror attacks have been committed by AMERICAN CITIZENS.

That's true, but can you break it down between citizens? How many of those are Muslims? What is the likelihood of a Muslim American becoming a terrorist vs all other Americans? It's no coincidence that a lot of terrorist recently have been Muslim. And they have been either immigrants or children of immigrants.

Yes, we have a problem and haven't been able solve. But logically, it will be worse if we bring in more people who are similar to the people who have become terrorist. More of the people who are most likely to become terrorist or have terrorist children, will make more terrorism. It's pretty simple.
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:37 PM
 
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Timothy McVeigh
Dylan Roof
Andrew Kehoe ***
Sung Hui Cho
Mark james Essix
Adam Lanza
Eric Harris
Dylan Kliebold
James Huberty
George Hennard
James Pough
James Holmes
George Banks
Jiverly Wong
Howard Unruh
Michael McLendon
Patrick Sherril
Mark Barton
Ron Simmons
Wade Michael Page
Aaron Alexis
James Rupert
Ying Leung
William Smith

and don't forget Charles Starkweather and Carol Ann Fugate for just some NON MUSLIMS that have shot up or bombed your nation and killed hundreds of you to date.

I marked Kehoe with those red asterisks because he performed his little feat of killing 44 at around the same time as a Mosque was being built to service the Muslims present in the U.S in 1927yet Muslims didn't start shooting up the place until well into the 2000's.

Methinks you're directing your ire in the wrong direction.
Since you are full of data, may I ask something of you? Can you list the non Muslims terrorist attacks and number of people they killed in the US, vs the Muslim American attacks and the number of people they killed from the last 20 years. Then adjust that for the percent of Muslims in the US. Muslims are only 1% of the population. So you should show that non Muslim American kill 100 times more people that Muslim American. I'll be back to see what you come up with. Thank you in advance for your research.
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:52 PM
 
Location: DFW
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and don't forget Charles Starkweather and Carol Ann Fugate for just some NON MUSLIMS that have shot up or bombed your nation and killed hundreds of you to date.
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Care to share with us where you are from and why you care so much for your Muslim brothers ?

You are not a US Citizen, why do you care what we do?
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:54 PM
 
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Ban everyone other than Native Americans. Hey great idea huh, & then we can all (those remaining not Native, which is MOST of us) then pack up & move to a 3rd W country like Columbia or Venezuela -- as soon this place will look worse w/ our gov't now & the farce yet to-be-named in office next election.

Everyone that was born here is a native American.
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Old 06-15-2016, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Since you are full of data, may I ask something of you? Can you list the non Muslims terrorist attacks and number of people they killed in the US, vs the Muslim American attacks and the number of people they killed from the last 20 years. Then adjust that for the percent of Muslims in the US. Muslims are only 1% of the population. So you should show that non Muslim American kill 100 times more people that Muslim American. I'll be back to see what you come up with. Thank you in advance for your research.
Well. This Mass Shooting list may hep you out..and out of all of them It wasn't Muslim perps..I didn't even catch Holmes Mass Murder with his AK in Movie Theatre there with..Course it could be because the date of this was prior to Colorado's Massacre in that Colorado Theatre!!

We've Had So Many Mass Shootings In The U.S., We've Had To Redefine The Term

A Guide to Mass Shootings in America | Mother Jones

But this link has an actual UTD graph!! You, or anyone who takes the time to look back on past decade or 2 will realize..It's not Just Muslim Americans who commit such atrocities...History speaks to huge decades of Self inflicted American Citizens that perpetuate such heinous crimes!

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadlie...ting-rampages/
1984-2016~~
Politics loves to demonize..and Trump will continue to BLAME ALL Muslims for all that ills American Loss of Life!! Truth is..Death Tolls due to weaponry availability is part of the problem..denial is unhelpful and perpetuates the ability for Americans to kill each other.. BUT AK-s with huge Clips can kills dozens in minutes..reload..Just lookup how James Holmes acted in Theatre full of people ..and only reason he didn't kill 50..is because his AK jammed!!

This problem is not Just ISIS it's just the latest excuse NRA and those so fearful of losing their guns ( which claim is nothing more than an advertising ploy by GUN MANUFACTURER'S..who back NRA) How else could Lapierre be ble to BUY OFF SO MANY POLITICIANS?? NRA Dues hardly cover such COSTS???

Anyway..So much rhetoric..so much blame going around..LONE WOLF is A problem..and it's due to that 1st amendment to a certain agree..Those who speak out lies..BLAME those "OTHERS" for their plight..BLAME opposite PARTY for all their Woes..Preach hate by certain lobbyists/churches/internet media circulates overt lies..to mis inform/ MSM repeats those lies..and anyone who refutes are called PARTISAN/ then of course there's FACTS..CHecked by multi-forms..and Yet it doesn't matter???

My only question is..WHY do folks believe proven lies?..+ so willing to believe rhetoric about someone or something they happen to admire or BELIVE in?? By definition..THAT's called Prejudice ..Something many have experienced in their lifetimes if non-white or less advantaged....Yep..Hstory is repeating as I type and I find it SAD!!
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Old 06-15-2016, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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This idea of banning Muslims is the most anti-American, xenophobic, and racist non-sense. To add on to that, it is nationalists instead of foreigners in pretty much every attack. The only thing it would do is make America look like a land of racist morons.
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Old 06-15-2016, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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We already have more then any single european country. Some are fifth or sixth generation.

The first mosque structure built in the United States for the purpose of serving a Muslim community was in Ross, North Dakota in 1929.

Most here (with a middle eastern background) in the US have been more successful in business, science and medicine then much of the general US population.

We're not talking historically. We're talking about the groups that have been migrating in recent years.
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Old 06-15-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Nothing to prevent a non- Christian from posing as a Christian.

There are more than 40,000 Christian denominations in the US, alone. No telling how many there are in the world. Allah is the Arabic word for God, a term used by ME Christians and Muslims.
I'm starting to feel like every word of every statement posted has to be explained to some of you. Why is that?

In fact, you're bringing up points that have nothing to do with what I posted.
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