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If such a list is to exist, just how many civil rights are people to give up with no due process, so that some other people can have an illusion of safety? We use the "terror watch list" to infringe on people's right to travel. Some want to use it to eliminate their right to own a firearm. What's next? Ban them from phone or internet access? Forbid them to go to the church of their choosing? Lock them up, in order to make someone feel "safer"? Remember, all this is WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. No trial. No jury. No right to face your accusers. And no recourse if you end up on such a list. Do YOU feel comfortable giving our government this power? The likes of a Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or even Don Trump the right to unilaterally take away your civil rights, essentially on a whim, with no recourse? I'm sorry, but this is still America (California, NJ and NY excepted). That is not how this country works. We are still not quite a 3rd world police state.
Well it is up for debate that the FBI dropped the ball on the terrorist that shot up the club in Orlando and now it is being argued if someone is on the No fly list that their name should also be put on a No Buy list when it comes to guns.
It makes sense to me that if someone is deemed too dangerous or risky to be allowed to fly in a airplane then that persons name should also be put on a No Buy list. Yes mistakes are made and people find themselves on the no fly list when they have done nothing wrong and I'm sure the same would happen with a no buy list so there needs to be a way that someone can clear their name in a timely fashion.
What I don't understand if someone is on the no fly list what are they doing walking around among us?
How far should the list go? If you are on the no fly list and your name gets put on the no buy list then what should happen if you are merely under investigation? Of course if you are under investigation by the FBI you probably should not be allowed to buy firearms.
On the flip side of the debate.
In the end do we really want to give the Gov. more rights over the citizens where suddenly your name could appear on a no buy list and it could take months or longer if ever to clear your name and if you are a gun collector what happens to your collection in the meantime?
I still say the best start to gun control is to enforce the laws we already have.
If you are on the No-Fly list, you definitely, should be banned from buying, books, newspapers, TVs, Radios, telephones as well as any and all other communication devices, including PCs, and you should be banned from speaking in public, and voting, and you should be able to be forced into indentured servitude, and banned from praying or going to your church - you know, the Full Monte of Rights-Violation, all sans conviction by jury.
Well it is up for debate that the FBI dropped the ball on the terrorist that shot up the club in Orlando and now it is being argued if someone is on the No fly list that their name should also be put on a No Buy list when it comes to guns.
It makes sense to me that if someone is deemed too dangerous or risky to be allowed to fly in a airplane then that persons name should also be put on a No Buy list. Yes mistakes are made and people find themselves on the no fly list when they have done nothing wrong and I'm sure the same would happen with a no buy list so there needs to be a way that someone can clear their name in a timely fashion.
What I don't understand if someone is on the no fly list what are they doing walking around among us?
How far should the list go? If you are on the no fly list and your name gets put on the no buy list then what should happen if you are merely under investigation? Of course if you are under investigation by the FBI you probably should not be allowed to buy firearms.
On the flip side of the debate.
In the end do we really want to give the Gov. more rights over the citizens where suddenly your name could appear on a no buy list and it could take months or longer if ever to clear your name and if you are a gun collector what happens to your collection in the meantime?
I still say the best start to gun control is to enforce the laws we already have.
Give me a break.
Siince its inception (thanks, President [George W.] Bush), the no-fly list has grown from just under 600, to half a million--and that was five years ago. Enter, also, the Selectee list and the Terror Watch list.
Consider also the embarrassing errors that have occurred over the years, and how parents can't seem to have their children's names removed from the list, while the Orlando killer's name was removed without his even asking.
That is the problem, and that (along with granny getting felt up by TSA agents so it doesn't look as if they're profiling) is what you get with emotional, knee-jerk "responses," that deflect from the real danger.
None of which matters to the oppressive left, anyway, whose minions continue to spout revealing idiocies such as It's due process that's killing us right now.
Siince its inception (thanks, President [George W.] Bush), the no-fly list has grown from just under 600, to half a million--and that was five years ago. Enter, also, the Selectee list and the Terror Watch list.
Consider also the embarrassing errors that have occurred over the years, and how parents can't seem to have their children's names removed from the list, while the Orlando killer's name was removed without his even asking.
That is the problem, and that (along with granny getting felt up by TSA agents so it doesn't look as if they're profiling) is what you get with emotional, knee-jerk "responses," that deflect from the real danger.
None of which matters to the oppressive left, anyway, whose minions continue to spout revealing idiocies such as It's due process that's killing us right now.
Wake up, sheeple.
Yes there have been mistakes made on the No fly list and it is unclear how one gets their name off that list. It would be the same with a no buy list. Getting on the list could be as simple as being investigated by the FBI or some other law enforcement agency but of course this could be abused and how far would it go.
If a guy just beat up his wife and is awaiting trial on a domestic abuse charge his guns are usually confiscated and he should be on a list so he can't buy more.
I know a guy that had a big argument with his wife and he said something like "I'm worth more to you dead than alive" well he has a few guns or I should say had. She called the Police and they saw it that he might harm himself or others, it is called section 12 I believe. They arrested him and confiscated his guns. He will be lucky to ever get them back. It was an off hand remark made in the heat of the moment but the cops took it very seriously. He is not a danger to himself or anyone else but he would now be on the no buy list.
Something has to be done and since the current administration refuses to identify who the enemy really is (young radical muslim men) and they refuse to enforce the laws that are already on the books the knee jerk reaction is to ban firearms from millions of law abiding people.
Yes there have been mistakes made on the No fly list and it is unclear how one gets their name off that list. It would be the same with a no buy list. Getting on the list could be as simple as being investigated by the FBI or some other law enforcement agency but of course this could be abused and how far would it go.
If a guy just beat up his wife and is awaiting trial on a domestic abuse charge his guns are usually confiscated and he should be on a list so he can't buy more.
I know a guy that had a big argument with his wife and he said something like "I'm worth more to you dead than alive" well he has a few guns or I should say had. She called the Police and they saw it that he might harm himself or others, it is called section 12 I believe. They arrested him and confiscated his guns. He will be lucky to ever get them back. It was an off hand remark made in the heat of the moment but the cops took it very seriously. He is not a danger to himself or anyone else but he would now be on the no buy list.
Something has to be done and since the current administration refuses to identify who the enemy really is (young radical muslim men) and they refuse to enforce the laws that are already on the books the knee jerk reaction is to ban firearms from millions of law abiding people.
The proposed firearm ban has nothing to do with anything else.
Its purpose is to ban firearms; nothing more, nothing less.
When controversial twitter posts or lectures are in some cases sufficient to end up on the no fly list this is not something we should take lightly. The government can theoretically add anyone to the list without due process.
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
Well it is up for debate that the FBI dropped the ball on the terrorist that shot up the club in Orlando and now it is being argued if someone is on the No fly list that their name should also be put on a No Buy list when it comes to guns.
It makes sense to me that if someone is deemed too dangerous or risky to be allowed to fly in a airplane then that persons name should also be put on a No Buy list. Yes mistakes are made and people find themselves on the no fly list when they have done nothing wrong and I'm sure the same would happen with a no buy list so there needs to be a way that someone can clear their name in a timely fashion.
What I don't understand if someone is on the no fly list what are they doing walking around among us?
How far should the list go? If you are on the no fly list and your name gets put on the no buy list then what should happen if you are merely under investigation? Of course if you are under investigation by the FBI you probably should not be allowed to buy firearms.
On the flip side of the debate.
In the end do we really want to give the Gov. more rights over the citizens where suddenly your name could appear on a no buy list and it could take months or longer if ever to clear your name and if you are a gun collector what happens to your collection in the meantime?
I still say the best start to gun control is to enforce the laws we already have.
I'm not against a no-buy list, as long as that list doesn't have individuals who were placed on there by mistake and that list is not under the control of anti-gun entities. There should also be legitimate reasons and valid conditions for placing an individual on such list, to make sure nobody gets placed on there for something as simple as a speeding ticket or other minor traffic violations.
There should also be provisions to allow an individual who gets denied when purchasing a weapon, to file an appeal and get their name removed from the list by proving there is no reason for placing them on that list. Also, if that individual files an appeal then does not show up for a hearing or whatever is required, they should find out why he did not show up and if he purchased a weapon on the black market.
It could also help if somebody who is on a no-fly list to let their neighbors know that so that they can keep their eyes open for any unusual or suspicious activity at their residence.
I am against government watching people, but when it comes to individuals who recently migrated from countries that tend to support radical islamic ideologies, I have no problem with that. Good luck convincing many on the left to do that, including Obama.
Overall, you can have as many safeguards as possible, the bad guys will always find a way to get around those safeguards. This government is not going to protect you from anything, that's why I am a strong believer in the Second Amendment and the right to carry.
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), the no-fly list has grown from just under 600, to half a million--and that was five years ago. Enter, also, the Selectee list and the Terror Watch list.
