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View Poll Results: Should we have stricter gun-ownership laws?
Yes 114 28.08%
No 292 71.92%
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Old 04-29-2008, 08:37 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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The FIREARM suicide rate in DC is .90 per 100,000(quite low indeed).

The OVERALL suicide rate is 5.95 per 100,000(still very low).

Seems firearms aren't used much in DC to commit suicide so the law is not needed...

Seems people simply use another method.

By the way was it ever shown where the law in DC was specifically aimed at curbing suicide???

Or was that simply ignored by the person who posted this supposed fact?

 
Old 04-29-2008, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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How would this law curb suicides?

You have stated the purpose of the law was to stop suicides.
I've listed suicides as a reason. The overall reason is to reduce death by firearm -- suicide, accident, and homicide.

Leading cause of death by firearm is suicide, by a wide margin. The most frequently used method of suicide is firearm, by a large margin. The lowest survival rate of suicide attempts is by firearm.
 
Old 04-29-2008, 08:40 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Because - he is trying to totally misrepresent the issue - it is normal for TD
Shouldn't you start all your posts with "IMO".
 
Old 04-29-2008, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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should you not start all your posts with "IMO".
No, because in the case instant, I was posting a fact
 
Old 04-29-2008, 08:42 AM
 
Location: In a house
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Only effectively an outright ban on handguns. Rifles and shotguns are permitted. And the law only applies to the District of Columbia. Even if the city loses the case before the court, not much will change. What's being litigated is about 10% of our gun control regulations. IMO the Court will like rule that the city has the right to put reasonable restrictions on gun owners. That all any city needs.
Not true at all. While you can own a rifle or shotgun it must be unloaded & disassembled thereby rendering it useless for self defense. If you assemble it inside your home & move from one room to the other its a felony & you can lose all gun rights. The Justices laughed at the concept that this didn't violate the second amendment which they acknowledge protects the right to firearms as a means of self defense.

They also laughed at the idea that the law was a "Reasonable" restriction.

Reasonable restrictions prevent felons & crazy people from having a gun, not everybody in a municipality. Further its a very dangerous precedent to permit a municipality to step on civil rights.

I agree that the court will let them place reasonable restrictions on them. A viable permit system that actually issues permits would be ok as long as its a "Shall issue" law that cannot refuse lacking legal disqualifications.

Just to revisit an earlier point by you.
You said the law is to prevent suicides?

Why cant people kill themselves with a rifle?
 
Old 04-29-2008, 08:44 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Interesting that the murder rate PRIOR to the gun control laws being enacted was much lower....


DC murder rate in 1960: 10.6 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1965: 18.4 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1970: 29.2 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1975: 32.8 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1980: 31.5 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1985: 23.5 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1990: 77.8 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1995: 65.0 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 2000: 41.8 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 2005: 29.1 per 100,000
 
Old 04-29-2008, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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The FIREARM suicide rate in DC is .90 per 100,000(quite low indeed).

The OVERALL suicide rate is 5.95 per 100,000(still very low).

Seems firearms aren't used much in DC to commit suicide so the law is not needed...

Seems people simply use another method.

By the way was it ever shown where the law in DC was specifically aimed at curbing suicide???

Or was that simply ignored by the person who posted this supposed fact?
Faulty analysis. DC suicide rate is about 6/100,000. Nationwide 50% of suicides are by firearm. National suicide rate is about 11/100,000. If DC didn't ban firearms it's suicide rate would about double, putting it in line with national average. QED
 
Old 04-29-2008, 08:48 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I've listed suicides as a reason. The overall reason is to reduce death by firearm -- suicide, accident, and homicide.

Leading cause of death by firearm is suicide, by a wide margin. The most frequently used method of suicide is firearm, by a large margin. The lowest survival rate of suicide attempts is by firearm.
No actually you wrote this:


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What is the purpose of the gun laws in question?

To reduce suicides
And nothing more.
 
Old 04-29-2008, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Interesting that the murder rate PRIOR to the gun control laws being enacted was much lower....


DC murder rate in 1960: 10.6 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1965: 18.4 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1970: 29.2 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1975: 32.8 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1980: 31.5 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1985: 23.5 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1990: 77.8 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 1995: 65.0 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 2000: 41.8 per 100,000
DC murder rate in 2005: 29.1 per 100,000
Many things affect the murder rate, but notice that the murder rate went from 32.8 in 1975, just before the handgun ban was passed, to 23.5 in 1985, a significant decline.
 
Old 04-29-2008, 08:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Greatday
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No, because in the case instant, I was posting a fact
Nope, your problem is that you always believe that your statements are facts.
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