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View Poll Results: Should we have stricter gun-ownership laws?
Yes 114 28.08%
No 292 71.92%
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:04 PM
 
Location: In a house
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I seek a smaller Gov't across the board.
I must confess I dont know where you stand. You seem to seek out others reasons for their positions but offer little in the way of your personal views.

I dont think of myself as a right winger tho I do tend towards the right.
I think I'm just realistic & not bound by some silly party affiliation. I registered Republican but have not always voted that way.

 
Old 06-04-2008, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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Default Chicago handguns

I figure Chicago will just make it so expensive to own handguns that most people will keep doing what they have been doing, buying handguns in Indiana or outlying suburbs and bringing them to Chicago without registering them.

To have a firearm (shotgun or rifle at least 18.5 inches long) you have to pay a registration fee annually. Most people don't even bother.

I will have a handgun if the city allows me to, even if I have to pay up the nose for it.
 
Old 06-04-2008, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I figure Chicago will just make it so expensive to own handguns that most people will keep doing what they have been doing, buying handguns in Indiana or outlying suburbs and bringing them to Chicago without registering them.

To have a firearm (shotgun or rifle at least 18.5 inches long) you have to pay a registration fee annually. Most people don't even bother.

I will have a handgun if the city allows me to, even if I have to pay up the nose for it.
That's "through the nose." You pay "through the nose" for something.

"Up the nose" has a totally different connotation.
 
Old 06-04-2008, 04:12 PM
 
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I seek a smaller Gov't across the board.
I must confess I dont know where you stand. You seem to seek out others reasons for their positions but offer little in the way of your personal views.
I don't let my personal views influence my interpretation of legal statutes. My personal view is that the lawmakers were incredibly stupid not to give the federal government some authority over "arms." But, that doesn't change the fact that they didn't.
 
Old 06-04-2008, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Please someone who knows more about the Supreme Court's actions answer.
The District of Columbia has effectively a total ban on handguns for normal citizens. That ban has been ruled unconstitutional by the Court of Appeals. The court ruled "Once it is determined - as we have done - that handguns are 'Arms' referred to in the Second Amendment, it is not open to the District to ban them ... That is not to suggest that the government is absolutely barred from regulating the use and ownership of pistols. The protections of the Second Amendment are subject to the same sort of reasonable restrictions that have been recognized as limiting, for instance, the First Amendment."

This has been appealed to the Supreme Court, which has yet to speak. Everybody has an opinion about what the court will do, but as we say in Washington "Those that know aren't talking and those that are talking don't know."
 
Old 06-04-2008, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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It didn't did it?
Didn't say it did. Just the fact that home invasions never happen in DC, and people never need their firearms to protect themselves in DC.

Two things that would never happen in DC.
 
Old 06-04-2008, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Actually they come very promptly. What's your point about these court rulings? So what? I call, the police come. I'm safe. That's all that matters.
you were saying that they must help you, the supreme court ruled otherwise. That is why I was posting the ruling and the case that got to the supreme court.

If you call, they do NOT have to come.
 
Old 06-04-2008, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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If you don't live in Washington DC, you have whatever your local citizens have decided. In Washington DC you do have the same security I have.
if they choose not to, they do NOT have to respond. It is the same everywhere in the country, the supreme court made the ruling unless the supreme court has no jurisdiction in your little piece of America
 
Old 06-04-2008, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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They will stop a crime in progress and assist the victim.

What we have going on here is actually a group of ill informed chicken littles. The police's primary duty is law enforcement, not protection of the population in general, but aiding a victim of a crime is absolutely a duty of the police. Public officials whether police, firemen, garbage men, or EMTs generally cannot be sued based upon their job performance. This isn't something new; King George III had the same protection. Police, firemen and other public official can and often are disciplined for failure to adequately perform all of their duties. A police officer who stood by while someone was assaulted and did nothing would be fired here and in most jurisdictions. You can't sue him though. Let stop this stupid argument that the police don't have to respond.
you tell this to the poor victim of the crime that started the supreme court in its decision. she called and called and was in fear of her family's life from her x husband. He got there, and the police did not send anyone, HER CHILDREN ARE DEAD because the police did not deem it a necessity to help her. If she were to have a gun, her children might be alive now, but instead she HAS NOTHING LEFT BUT HERSELF
 
Old 06-04-2008, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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It didn't did it?
1 Man Killed, 2 Hurt In NW Home Invasion - washingtonpost.com

here ya go then

what were these guys doing with guns? they are for the most part banned right?
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