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Old 06-18-2008, 01:59 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Originally Posted by TKramar View Post
You already have those means, without necessitating the use of a WEAPON.
Arent your hands weapons? I know that there are criminals out there I may not be big or strong enough to best in a fair fight. So, just like the police I take advantage of my rights & use the best tool for the job. Dont like it? Then mind your buisness & it wont even matter to you.

Quote:
Call the "tool" by its proper name, a WEAPON. Ever since Cain picked up the rock, the human race has gone downhill.
The human race didn't start going downhill until they started pandering to the silly notion that its wrong to call an idiot an idiot.

At this point I think I'll block you as its obvious you simply arent worth my time. See Ya.

 
Old 06-18-2008, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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How do you know if a gun you dont even know about is loaded or not?

What gives you the right to override state laws that grant a person the right to have a loaded gun on their person?

A cop cant even do that without cause, nor can a judge, court or anyone else.

Short of my commiting a crime I have every right to carry a loaded gun anywhere I go in my state & most others, save for Federal buildings, schools & a few other places.
If you attempt to take it & live you will go to prison. At that point there will be no more room left for this silly argument you pose.
You will be a felon & no less a criminal than the rapists & murderers you will serve time with.

I gather you live in Fla, theres an aweful lot of legal conceled handguns there. You should try tonight to put into action your rhetoric.
IF I run across anyone, I assure you I will. But I normally don't leave the house unless I'm going to work or the library.

Tin Knocker: who said you had to fight "fair"? You fight to WIN, not to be fair.
 
Old 06-18-2008, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Originally Posted by TKramar View Post
Weapons are what we need to be protected from...without weapons, everyone has the EQUAL capacity to protect themselves. If they choose NOT to learn HOW, that's their problem. If they choose to do work that does NOT keep them in top physical condition, that's their problem. I'm not mean, I'm not tall and husky--I'm short and wiry. But I'm STRONG, because life demands strength....and cleverness.
weapons are NOT what we need protection from, it is the criminal that would cause us harm. There are some that cannot be in top physical health due to medical problems not caused by the persons lifestyle or habits. There is no such thing as equal capacity as we are all different. I am in good physical health, good mental health, but I do have a bad condition known in short as MS, that may someday take some of my physical health away from me. I did not ask for this, I did not do anything to bring this upon myself. I would rather have a firearm to protect myself than to attempt to rely on my nervous system to be in top shape (since it will not always be that way)
 
Old 06-18-2008, 05:18 PM
 
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Anything can be a weapon, criminals are not going to go one on one unless they know they have the advantage, a good example is the other day an 80 year old man was gathering cans in his alley, 5 teens attacked him for no reason other to do harm, now he's dead, how was he suspose to fend off 5 attackers?


according to the fascist liberal way, the old man should have waited for the cops to show up to protect him. even though they don't even have to.
 
Old 06-18-2008, 05:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TKramar View Post
Weapons are what we need to be protected from...without weapons, everyone has the EQUAL capacity to protect themselves. If they choose NOT to learn HOW, that's their problem. If they choose to do work that does NOT keep them in top physical condition, that's their problem. I'm not mean, I'm not tall and husky--I'm short and wiry. But I'm STRONG, because life demands strength....and cleverness.

tell you what bubba, stay the hell out of my way and you and I shall never have to prove your right to end up in a morgue for you trying steal my legally carried firearm. it is people like you that just like to take Constitutional rights away from other law abiding citizens and force them to follow the fascist liberal way.
your kind make me sick, that is why fascist liberals are the type to die waiting for cops to show up to protect them.
hope you like living in your little fantasy world.
 
Old 06-18-2008, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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tell you what bubba, stay the hell out of my way and you and I shall never have to prove your right to end up in a morgue for you trying steal my legally carried firearm. it is people like you that just like to take Constitutional rights away from other law abiding citizens and force them to follow the fascist liberal way.
your kind make me sick, that is why fascist liberals are the type to die waiting for cops to show up to protect them.
hope you like living in your little fantasy world.
I'd like to do away with cops too, they're a tool of the government. We need NO government. Every MAN for himself, Loser.
 
Old 06-18-2008, 06:03 PM
 
Location: California
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I'd like to do away with cops too, they're a tool of the government. We need NO government. Every MAN for himself, Loser.
I hate to tell you this but if there was no law you would be the first to go, a group of people working together will always do better than one person just trying to survive.
 
Old 06-18-2008, 06:04 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Stellar, thanks for the info!
This was in my mailbox when I sat down. Its got a prewritten letter for your Senator. You dont need to use it, its better to write your own & use a stamp the old fashioned way, but let your senator know how you feel about this.

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Vitter To Introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
Gun Owners of America

Wednesday, June 18, 2008


Senator David Vitter (R-LA) is planning to introduce a concealed carry
reciprocity bill next week.

Senator Vitter had been working closely with Gun Owners of America to
draft
and file a reciprocity amendment a few weeks ago, but that amendment,
unfortunately, never saw the light of day -- thanks to powerful
opponents
inside the Senate.

However, Sen. Vitter has continued undaunted and last week sent a Dear
Colleague letter to his fellow senators, asking them to cosponsor his
forthcoming bill, the "Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry
Reciprocity Act."

The Vitter bill treats concealed carry permits much the same as
drivers'
licenses, where one state's license is recognized in all other states.

In addressing the matter of reciprocity, the first concern of GOA and
Sen.
Vitter is that it be done constitutionally and that it respects states'
rights.

Unlike another senate reciprocity measure, S. 388, Vitter's bill does
not
establish "national standards" for concealed carry. It simply
says that
states that allow concealed carry must recognize the CCW permits of
other
states.

Vitter's bill also respects the rights of states that allow concealed
carry
without a permit. Citizens of Vermont and non-license holders in Alaska
are
allowed to carry concealed without a permit. Under the Vitter bill,
these
states would be recognized in the same manner as states that do issue
permits.

States that do not allow concealed carry at all are not forced, under
the
Vitter bill, to recognize out-of-state permits. There are currently two
such
states, Illinois and Wisconsin. While it is deplorable that these
states
refuse to trust their citizens with firearms, this is an issue that has
to
be dealt with at the state level.

Citizens should not be forced to sacrifice their right to self-defense
at
the state line. The Vitter bill will allow more Americans to defend
themselves away from their home state.

Action: Please urge your two Senators to become original cosponsors of
the
Vitter "Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity
Act." You
can visit the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
GOA Legislative Action Center to send your Senators the
pre-written
e-mail message below.


----- Prewritten letter -----

Dear Senator,

Senator David Vitter is planning to introduce a concealed carry
reciprocity
bill next week.

The bill, the "Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity
Act," will allow citizens who are permitted to carry concealed in
their home
state, to carry in all states that allow concealed carry.

This bill does not establish national concealed carry standards, but
takes a
sound constitutional approach that respects states' rights.

I urge you to contact Senator Vitter and become an original cosponsor
of
this legislation.

Sincerely,


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I was going to forward you a link to GOA but this is even better.
 
Old 06-18-2008, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I hate to tell you this but if there was no law you would be the first to go, a group of people working together will always do better than one person just trying to survive.
Probably not. One person doesn't have the requirements of a whole group...and there's no risk of dissent either. A lone person doesn't have arguments, because there's no one to argue with, while a group's arguments often tear them apart.
 
Old 06-18-2008, 06:30 PM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by TKramar View Post
Probably not. One person doesn't have the requirements of a whole group...and there's no risk of dissent either. A lone person doesn't have arguments, because there's no one to argue with, while a group's arguments often tear them apart.
not really, with no law you would have groups hunting down the weak, a group could protect itself where you would have to sneak around and cower in a hole to survive.
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