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View Poll Results: Should we have stricter gun-ownership laws?
Yes 114 28.08%
No 292 71.92%
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Old 03-02-2008, 04:17 PM
 
Location: In a house
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I think all our liberal antigun socialists should move to Holland.

 
Old 03-02-2008, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Originally Posted by Tin Knocker View Post
I think all our liberal antigun socialists should move to Holland.
Nahh, I think having them here is what the very essence of America is about. They are using the most important right under a free state, The right to speak the way they want.
 
Old 03-03-2008, 12:58 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Tin Knocker
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I think all our liberal antigun socialists should move to Holland.
I guess that only having a liberal or conservative party severly limits the ability to understand people (cultures) who have more choices than these 2.
As I've often said before I'm not against owning guns, but one should at least be trained in the use of handling guns.

Originally Posted by Noahma
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the Geneva Convention was not created Solly by the United States. We are adhering to its words.
Uhuh, right. The US was one of the big forces to create a war tribunal after WWII. But suddenly when America started to realize that they themselves could appear in it and be found guilty, they suddenly dropped the whole idea of a war tribunal. And now they try to get off with a technicality?
I already hate it when crime lawyers get known criminals of the hook because the police misspelled the name of the criminal.
And this dodgy behaviour of the American government only makes me believe that they can only be guilty.

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wow, you have never fired a gun i suspect. It is easy to squeeze a trigger yes, but hitting a target is not easy at all.
If it is easy to fire a gun, so guns easily becomes a lethal threat in the hands of children since they often accidentally shoot themselves.
And even when the user is not a child, in untrained hands the gun becomes a threat to everyone in range. Even when you don't hit your intended target you can hit every innocent bystander who happened to be in the line of fire.
FYI the most precise weapon I've ever used is a law (light antitank weapon), but I hope that civilians will not be able to fire 1 of these; missing would cause a lot of destruction which could cause lotsa unintended casualties.
 
Old 03-03-2008, 01:09 AM
 
Location: southern california
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Wow. I don't think I want to go through life that paranoid.

Perhaps this is the wrong sort of thinking, but as a person of faith I think if its your time to go, its your time. If its not a gun, it will be a heart attack, car wreck, stroke whatever. Personally letting everyone arm up like Rambo so we can all be vigilantes is not a solution other than making everyone more afraid of everyone else.
parinoid rambo vigilante
names that people get called when they attempt to defend themselves from rape and murder?
when did rapists and murderers earn the right to harm others without interference? do we shame people
for defending themselves?

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Old 03-03-2008, 01:51 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Bunky39
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do we shame people
for defending themselves?
No, but they should feel ashamed themselves if in the process of defending themselves they have wounded or killed innocent bystanders.
People often use excessive force whenever they panic which is exactly that what generally makes guns very dangerous to use (especially by untrained people).
 
Old 03-03-2008, 02:09 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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parinoid rambo vigilante
names that people get called when they attempt to defend themselves from rape and murder?
when did rapists and murderers earn the right to harm others without interference? do we shame people
for defending themselves?
Certainly not. By learning to FIGHT, you can defend yourself without having to resort to a gun.

A good sleeper hold is sufficient.
 
Old 03-03-2008, 06:16 AM
 
Location: In a house
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No, but they should feel ashamed themselves if in the process of defending themselves they have wounded or killed innocent bystanders.
People often use excessive force whenever they panic which is exactly that what generally makes guns very dangerous to use (especially by untrained people).
I'm sure they would be ashamed. But it doesn't happen does it? Can you cite a case where a law abiding legal gun owner useing his or her gun in self defence has wounded or killed bystanders? I'd apreciate a link to this info.
On the other hand the police shoot the WRONG person over 10% of the time. Its alot easier to know whats what if your the victim or at least there when the crime occurs.

As an added note, in Virginia a good guy would have had to shoot 30+ wrong people before his gun wouldn't have made a positive difference.

Your position comes from the view that adults arent mature & are in need of supervision. Thats silly, even in your country I assume adults can vote. Voteing is the greatest weapon we have. If people arent competent enough to know when theyre under attack & who the attacker is, or to handle a gun safely they sure aint mature enough to vote responsibly.

On the subject of training you keep bringing up. In all but 3 states you need a permit to carry & in every case there is training involved. Plus most gun owners take it seriously enough that they practice the use of their arms enough to be quite competent with them. Theres over 60 million of us & yet we cause such an infinitesimal amount of trouble you virtually wouldn't know we were here if we didn't need to speak up to protect our rights.
 
Old 03-03-2008, 06:22 AM
 
Location: In a house
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T Kramer said;

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Certainly not. By learning to FIGHT, you can defend yourself without having to resort to a gun.

A good sleeper hold is sufficient.
So, in your opinion anyone not a martial artist isn't permitted to defend themselves?
How does your sleeper hold do when the assailant has a gun or knife & KNOWS HOW TO USE THEM? Or what about a small woman or old person? I guess in your view theyre all disposable eh?.

I'm real glad your so confident of your physical abilities, but dont fool yourself. If you come up against an armed person wanting to shoot you your a dead man. Unless you got some of those bullet deflecting braceletts like Wonder Woman did.
 
Old 03-03-2008, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I am a gun owning and, sometimes toting, socialist. Why the hell should I leave my country that, not so incidentally, I went to war for a long time ago and far, far away. My economics are a small part of my politics. My freedom is a vastly larger part.

Ex - Sailor for the Empire - retired.[/font][/color]
 
Old 03-03-2008, 07:08 AM
 
Location: NY
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I think all our liberal antigun socialists should move to Holland.
Oh, a HUGE +1 on THAT!!!!!!!!!
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