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Old 06-21-2016, 02:55 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Cliftonpdx View Post
No one changed the federal law, you have always been able to buy a gun.

Your idea of legal is a bit messed up. Apparently murder is legal too until you get caught using your logic.....


If a murderer is never caught, was it illegal?
Laws only clean up the mess, when they have a perp.
Laws only come into play, after the act has been committed, if there is someone to point at.

I cannot just go buy a rifle from a legit government authorized dealer, if I want to go hunting this evening.
I cannot go buy a hand gun from a legit government authorized dealer, when 3 guys in the neighborhood, are making threats towards my family and its going down tonight....

Looks like an infringement on my liberty.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:57 PM
 
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If a murderer is never caught, was it illegal?
Laws only clean up the mess, when they have a perp.
Laws only come into play, after the act has been committed, if there is someone to point at.
If a murderer is never caught, the act of murder was still illegal. That is why charges can brought against someone who commits an illegal act because it is illegal to begin from.
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Old 06-21-2016, 03:07 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If a murderer is never caught, the act of murder was still illegal. That is why charges can brought against someone who commits an illegal act because it is illegal to begin from.
It still was not illegal to do. It is illegal to get caught.
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Old 06-21-2016, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Why not require background checks to buy pressure cookers? Pipes? Fertilizer? Etc., etc...
I'm okay with that. Kind of like checking an ID to buy alcohol. A person can voluntarily go through a 'pre-screening" in order to obtain a card to buy guns or explosive components.
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Old 06-21-2016, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I don't need a background check to buy a car? and that isn't even a basic civil right.
I can kill and mame 100's with a car. and some have done exactly that.

But we never hear, of government wanting to ban all cars that go over 10 mph, to prevent death from drunk drivers.

And again, driving and owning a car is not a right, outlined in specific detail in the US Constitutions, Bill of Rights.
Are you advocating background checks or pre-screening in order to purchase a vehicle?
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Old 06-21-2016, 03:40 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Are you advocating background checks or pre-screening in order to purchase a vehicle?


How did anyone come to that conclusion in the context of the conversation, other than to make it personal, is beyond me.

Comparisons are not advocating one way or the other. Only pointing the hypocrisy.
The better conclusion from anyone with common sense, since we all understand which side of the fence I stand on, would have been "Are you advocating no background checks or per-screening to purchase a gun?"
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Old 06-21-2016, 03:51 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I'm okay with that. Kind of like checking an ID to buy alcohol.
Not really. A background check is far more extensive than just presenting an ID to buy alcohol.

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A person can voluntarily go through a 'pre-screening" in order to obtain a card to buy guns or explosive components.
And that's valid for how long? They stay clean, apply for pre-screening, get accepted, and then proceed to implement their terrorist attack. That's how easy it would be to defeat such a system.
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Old 06-21-2016, 04:02 PM
 
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It still was not illegal to do. It is illegal to get caught.
I really don't think you understand how laws work either.....
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Old 06-21-2016, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Well the first part is just false, and the second part has happened in the past and can be stopped again just like it was in the past.
The second part (warrant-less wiretapping) could be back and bigger than ever.

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a vote late on Monday to expand the Federal Bureau of Investigation's authority to use a secretive surveillance order without a warrant to include email metadata and some browsing history information.

The move, made via an amendment to a criminal justice appropriations bill,
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The amendment would broaden the FBI’s authority to use so-called National Security Letters to include electronic communications transaction records such as time stamps of emails and the emails' senders and recipients
set up vote to expand FBI spying
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Old 06-21-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I really don't think you understand how laws work either.....

Laws do not prevent anything. The go after the person responsible after the act. THE LAW!

The only way to prevent laws from being broken, is have a government armed police official, following each and every person, 24/7. Incarceration.
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