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View Poll Results: Do you support two weeks of mandatory vacation for all full-time workers in the US?
Yes 112 52.83%
No 100 47.17%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-21-2016, 05:37 PM
 
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Yes, I do believe I bring value to the companies that employ me. Otherwise, I would have been fired, and rightly so.

I am thrilled for the Germans. Glad they are happy with their form of government and their dependence on the government to mandate the terms of their employment.

I'll stick with the benefits and drawbacks of a system where government intervention into private industry is NOT the goal.
During the time of slavery in America thee were slaves that kissed the arse of the master and thy truly believed they were doing the right thing.
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:39 PM
 
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Cute personal attack! I don't have any truck, let alone a large one, bub. How do you figure 3-4X more free time? You don't even know what I do for a living?
The question that begs an answer is why are you opposed to more vacation time and a shorter work week. Are you concerned with the profit margin of your boss?
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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Is that how low your standards are? That you're satisfied with having to overwork yourself just to not go hungry or live in crowded tenements?
Great post!
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:41 PM
 
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Thank you for providing the most accurate description of GREED.

I don't care that these folks are untalented or have little skills. You entirely miss the point. At some point excessive profit or wealth becomes redundant. That is why the richest people in the planet (with few exceptions) are generous with their profits. Bill Gates is the greatest socialist in the world. You are blinded by your ideology and fail to see the issue.



All you do is recite the memorized verses of greedy corporate America. I am going to assume you are a CEO and not a worker. How much vacation you get a year? IS the salary you get at the level of your intellect and talents?
This response is a bit (and I'm being so modest here) off base.

1. Bill Gates can be a socialist all he wants as a retired non-business owner. Walmart is a functioning business with MANY employees to take care of, not just minimum wage employees. They also have stock holders to take care of, many who are retired and depend on the dividend and capital gains from them in their retirement accounts.

2. I didn't miss any point. You just said "you don't care about their talent or skill" which means you are missing a point, which is that it makes no business sense to pay someone more than their talents or skills return.

3. Why is it Walmart's problem that our government either a) doesn't take care of people that cant fend for themselves? b) allows our miserable education system to turn out such a volume of people that fail to meet basic requirements for either college or more than basic entry level employment c) why does our government contribute to a system that allows universities to escalate tuition to a point where its un-affordable for many or d) some parents just don't even have the basic skills to teach their kids to be normal respectable employees that do not need to be babysat while at work, and I say this out of 7 years of retail experience where I witnessed many "adults" that could't be left to do their job unsupervised

4. None of this is "memorized greedy verse" from corporate America, they are my personal thoughts and opinions based on my lifespan of work and experiences. None of this includes me being anywhere near a CEO although I do have my own VERY small side business where I do all of the work and I am the ONLY "employee" if you want to call it that.

5. As for the rest like calling me greedy, not a worker, and questioning my pay or my intellect is nothing more than one giant personal attack. My salary and vacation time are clearly none of your business, but they certainly don't even come close to putting me in a category where I make a difference to any company that I work for. I'm replaceable just like 90% of the rest of the US workforce. Overall these parts of your "argument" are clearly a sign of a more emotional rather than logical approach to this problem.

Bottom line, there are 101 factors that are outside of Walmarts control that need to be addressed by society, our government, and our educational institutions. Asking Walmart or other companies to arbitrarily increase minimum wage is nothing more than the aforementioned institutions trying to throw someone elses money at the problem to dodge the true root of the problem which is mostly on them.
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:50 PM
 
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This response is a bit (and I'm being so modest here) off base.

1. Bill Gates can be a socialist all he wants as a retired non-business owner. Walmart is a functioning business with MANY employees to take care of, not just minimum wage employees. They also have stock holders to take care of, many who are retired and depend on the dividend and capital gains from them in their retirement accounts.

2. I didn't miss any point. You just said "you don't care about their talent or skill" which means you are missing a point, which is that it makes no business sense to pay someone more than their talents or skills return.

3. Why is it Walmart's problem that our government either a) doesn't take care of people that cant fend for themselves? b) allows our miserable education system to turn out such a volume of people that fail to meet basic requirements for either college or more than basic entry level employment c) why does our government contribute to a system that allows universities to escalate tuition to a point where its un-affordable for many or d) some parents just don't even have the basic skills to teach their kids to be normal respectable employees that do not need to be babysat while at work, and I say this out of 7 years of retail experience where I witnessed many "adults" that could't be left to do their job unsupervised

4. None of this is "memorized greedy verse" from corporate America, they are my personal thoughts and opinions based on my lifespan of work and experiences. None of this includes me being anywhere near a CEO although I do have my own VERY small side business where I do all of the work and I am the ONLY "employee" if you want to call it that.

5. As for the rest like calling me greedy, not a worker, and questioning my pay or my intellect is nothing more than one giant personal attack. My salary and vacation time are clearly none of your business, but they certainly don't even come close to putting me in a category where I make a difference to any company that I work for. I'm replaceable just like 90% of the rest of the US workforce. Overall these parts of your "argument" are clearly a sign of a more emotional rather than logical approach to this problem.

Bottom line, there are 101 factors that are outside of Walmarts control that need to be addressed by society, our government, and our educational institutions. Asking Walmart or other companies to arbitrarily increase minimum wage is nothing more than the aforementioned institutions trying to throw someone elses money at the problem to dodge the true root of the problem which is mostly on them.
You keep reciting verses from corporate America. And you are quite correct as to why Wal Mart has to pay the lowest possible salaries. As you said Wal Mart needs to maximize profits to satisfy the investors.

As for greed: A little bit of greed is normal, but once greed leads to the mistreatment of others it is not honorable.

Please look up and find out how much more you have to toil away than a comparable German or Dutch worker. If you want to continue to glorify your employer go ahead.

By the way, there are many employers that treat their employees quite well. Maybe you are among the lucky ones. How much vacation you take a year?
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:55 PM
 
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Hahaha, there are a lot of self loathing people on here. "I don't expect nor deserve vacation time. I will work tirelessly until I can retire & then will be unable to enjoy life. But I'm an American dammit!" Too funny.
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:55 PM
 
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They work much less than you and have more leisure. They are not as stressed as you are and they have three to four times more free time than you do.

I know you love your large truck, but free time is priceless.
TO YOU.

Not everyone has the same priorities as you. Some people HATE weekends because they aren't working. Some people hate vacations because they can't afford them, they get bored, they are single and don't want to travel alone, etc., etc.

German statistics

Germany Average Salary Income - Job Comparison Seems that work is closer to a 40 hour week there. And salaries are not at all comparable and when net income is noted, it seems like there are reasons for Germans to experience stress regardless of vacation days.

Germany Has the Most Unequal Distribution of Wealth in the Eurozone

Germany has the most unequal wealth distribution in all of Europe.

OECD Better Life Index

The household financial wealth in Germany is USD 49,822 compared to the US which is USD 84,547.

After reading this "subjective" comparison of the US and Germany, I am just fine with the way things run in the US.

Comparison USA-Germany
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:56 PM
 
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You keep reciting verses from corporate America. And you are quite correct as to why Wal Mart has to pay the lowest possible salaries. As you said Wal Mart needs to maximize profits to satisfy the investors.

As for greed: A little bit of greed is normal, but once greed leads to the mistreatment of others it is not honorable.

Please look up and find out how much more you have to toil away than a comparable German or Dutch worker. If you want to continue to glorify your employer go ahead.

By the way, there are many employers that treat their employees quite well. Maybe you are among the lucky ones. How much vacation you take a year?
Who is "mistreating" their workers? Is Walmart not employing people and following the full extend of US and State employment laws? I'd think there would be many lawsuits if they were not. You can't make claims like that without proof. Again, seems very emotional rather than logical.

I'm not concerned with the German or Dutch work situation as I have no desire to live in their countries. I'm pretty happy where I am, and will continue to work and save as I feel I'm doing well for myself but as anyone would like to do better so I push myself to do more, hence my small side business.

Please quote for me where I'm "glorifying" my employer.

Again, my salary and vacation are pretty much none of your business.

I find it interesting that your emotional responses and liberal talking points make it front and center to my last reply, but no logical responses to the multiple reasons I pointed out as to why this situation is not the fault of the employer, but more squarely on the head of government, educational institutes, and our society / parents as a whole.
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Old 06-21-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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Hahaha, there are a lot of self loathing people on here. "I don't expect nor deserve vacation time. I will work tirelessly until I can retire.
That is about as self loathing as it gets. You are clearly unaware of what you are saying. Why do you say you deserve no vacation?
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Old 06-21-2016, 06:08 PM
 
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Who is "mistreating" their workers? Is Walmart not employing people and following the full extend of US and State employment laws? I'd think there would be many lawsuits if they were not. You can't make claims like that without proof. Again, seems very emotional rather than logical.

I'm not concerned with the German or Dutch work situation as I have no desire to live in their countries. I'm pretty happy where I am, and will continue to work and save as I feel I'm doing well for myself but as anyone would like to do better so I push myself to do more, hence my small side business.

Please quote for me where I'm "glorifying" my employer.

Again, my salary and vacation are pretty much none of your business.

I find it interesting that your emotional responses and liberal talking points make it front and center to my last reply, but no logical responses to the multiple reasons I pointed out as to why this situation is not the fault of the employer, but more squarely on the head of government, educational institutes, and our society / parents as a whole.
You keep making decent points here and there. The condition of most workers is in the toilet because of the pro donor posture of the government. I am not saying capitalism is bad. In fact, capitalism is the only system, but successful capitalism must be sprinkled with socialism and you folks cannot see that.

The other reason for the poor condition of US workers is the corporate culture where it is always assumed that is is sound practice to pay extremely low wages. That is nothing more than a cultural value.
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