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Old 06-20-2016, 08:57 AM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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Is this the propaganda you speak of?



In case you unaware the materiel being referenced would include things like black ops, nuclear matters, NATO communications etc.
Right. But the propaganda is that is was an intentional breach of security and nobody else before her was that lax with their email communication.

The propaganda is it was a purposeful abuse of sensitive data, she knew full well what she was doing, blah, blah...That's what the Right Wing propaganda machine would have people believe...

But anyone who works in computers knows most people, even politicians, have no clue what's what or what's going on when it comes to the Internet...Ted Stevens described the Internet as "...a series of tubes..." for christ's sake...

She's just another victim of ignorance on how the Internet works...for all she knew everything was secure...it's not this diabolical scheme to hand sensitive data over to the Russians...clearly most non-computer people have no clue what's safe and what's not in regards to the Internet...

All this is is an attempt to make political hay of Hillary's technical ignorance of computers and how they do their job...You can't do both...You can't be SoS and a computer technician at the same time...

And if she was lazy and sent a few emails in a way she wasn't supposed to...I don't really blame her...she needs to do her job and a convenient way to communicate that is secure....

So, at the worst, she was overworked and got lazy, perhaps? Not an ideal behavior for a president but I don't think there was any malicious indent that would be repeated...

And it's not like the Russians aren't hacking into more secure governmental servers as it is...
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:05 AM
 
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I agree that she will be the next POTUS. (SADLY)

why?

because the conservatives in the US are being held back by the extremists (ie: evangelical) nut bags who are under the impression that the bible has or should have any bearing on our constitutional rights. This country was founded because of people escaping puritanical ideology. No one is interested in moving the clock back 300 years.

Until the conservatives can rid themselves of these puritanical clowns, they won't see the white house any time soon.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default 25+ years of trying to take down the Clinton's has failed

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After 25+ years of Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Bob Grant, Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham and others attacking the Clinton's and trying to stop them by any means necessary, they are now faced with the prospect of watching them retake the presidency!

All those years trying every trick in the book to put the Clinton's away for good and nothing has stopped them!

And here they are again a hair's breathe away from the power of the presidency! And Trump is already getting clobbered out of the gate.

Aww man, that's gotta burn conservatives and ditto heads.

The Right Wing tears of unfathomable sadness on election night after such a long struggle to do away with the Clinton's will be titanic.

I mean, they failed. They failed miserably. They spent 25+ years on a crusade to take down the Clinton's and they failed miserably. The Clinton's are stronger than ever and about to reach the highest rung of American power for the second time!

I mean, Hillary is a demon to conservatives.

How does Rush Limbaugh not commit suicide after this? In his mind, after devoting his life to stopping the Clinton's he must see himself as a colossal loser.

Failure is getting to be the rabid right's most identifying characteristic.

Well, that along with anger, pessimism and ignorance.

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Old 06-20-2016, 09:33 AM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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I agree that she will be the next POTUS. (SADLY)

why?

because the conservatives in the US are being held back by the extremists (ie: evangelical) nut bags who are under the impression that the bible has or should have any bearing on our constitutional rights. This country was founded because of people escaping puritanical ideology. No one is interested in moving the clock back 300 years.

Until the conservatives can rid themselves of these puritanical clowns, they won't see the white house any time soon.
As Liberal, I can say I miss moderate Republican's like Christine Todd Whitman. I genuinely like her as governor of NJ.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:44 AM
 
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Right. But the propaganda is that is was an intentional breach of security and nobody else before her was that lax with their email communication.

The propaganda is it was a purposeful abuse of sensitive data, she knew full well what she was doing, blah, blah...That's what the Right Wing propaganda machine would have people believe...

But anyone who works in computers knows most people, even politicians, have no clue what's what or what's going on when it comes to the Internet...Ted Stevens described the Internet as "...a series of tubes..." for christ's sake...

She's just another victim of ignorance on how the Internet works...for all she knew everything was secure...it's not this diabolical scheme to hand sensitive data over to the Russians...clearly most non-computer people have no clue what's safe and what's not in regards to the Internet...

All this is is an attempt to make political hay of Hillary's technical ignorance of computers and how they do their job...You can't do both...You can't be SoS and a computer technician at the same time...



And if she was lazy and sent a few emails in a way she wasn't supposed to...I don't really blame her...she needs to do her job and a convenient way to communicate that is secure....

So, at the worst, she was overworked and got lazy, perhaps? Not an ideal behavior for a president but I don't think there was any malicious indent that would be repeated...

And it's not like the Russians aren't hacking into more secure governmental servers as it is...
New Documents Reveal "Hillary Clinton Knew Her BlackBerry Wasn't Secure"
Apparently, Clinton and Mills (who we profiled here, for those interested in the Clinton-BlackRock connection) were “addicts” in the true sense of the word. When they were told “no” they tried to get around it – twice.
First, they tried asking what kind of arrangements were made for Obama. When they were stonewalled, Mills asked why Condoleezza Rice and her staff got wavers but Clinton and her staff didn’t. To that question, the NSA answered as follows (and this is a quote from an e-mail sent by an unidentified source): “Use expanded to an unmanageable number of users from a security perspective, so those waivers were phased out and Blackberry use was not allowed in her suite.”
“The department’s designated NSA liaison, whose name was redacted from the documents, expressed concerns about security vulnerabilities inherent with using BlackBerry devices for secure communications or in secure areas,” AP reports, adding that “Clinton began sending work-related emails through private accounts soon after, in March 2009.”

Ok, so what’s the point, other than that Hillary Clinton is arrogant and isn’t used to being told “no?” For the answer we go to Judicial Watch’s president Tom Fitton who explains that “these documents show that Hillary Clinton knew her BlackBerry wasn’t secure.”

He continues: “Then why did she use it to access classified information on her illicit email server? The FBI and prosecutors ought to be very interested in these new materials.”
There you have it. Generally speaking then, this throws cold water on the idea that Clinton was ignorant to matters of cybersecurity and encryption and thus likely knew that using her home server to send work related e-mail was a poor decision from a national security perspective. More specifically, though, this seems to indicate that Clinton knowingly sent e-mail from an unsecure device.

Hacker Guccifer: Clinton's Server Unprotected, 'Like an Open Orchid' - Breitbart
Guccifer said, per a translator, that Clinton’s server was unprotected, and he had total access to the server that “was like an open orchid on the Internet, as many such servers are.”


Hillary Clinton's email server traced to Internet service registered to NY home | Fox News
Most Internet users rely on professional outside companies, such as Google Inc. or their own employers, for the behind-the-scenes complexities of managing their email communications. Government employees generally use servers run by federal agencies where they work.
In most cases, individuals who operate their own email servers are technical experts or users so concerned about issues of privacy and surveillance they take matters into their own hands.
Clinton has not described her motivation for using a private email account -- hdr22(at)clintonemail.com, which traced back to her own private email server registered under an apparent pseudonym -- for official State Department business.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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I agree that she will be the next POTUS. (SADLY)

why?

because the conservatives in the US are being held back by the extremists (ie: evangelical) nut bags who are under the impression that the bible has or should have any bearing on our constitutional rights. This country was founded because of people escaping puritanical ideology. No one is interested in moving the clock back 300 years.

Until the conservatives can rid themselves of these puritanical clowns, they won't see the white house any time soon.
Sigh.

I get so tired of saying this. Evangelical zealots are a tiny faction. The very same core values that form the conservative bedrock are what even Liberals aspire to. They just won't admit it. Strong families, meaningful work, good educations for their children, military protection, safe food, water, and roads, and the freedom to live unencumbered by government, are what everyone wants. The last one is the only sticking point for Liberals, since they think they are more capable than everyone else of deciding what is best for everyone else.

Their need to control is so strong that they would give up all the other things to elect one of their own...even if she is unqualified.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:47 AM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 5 days ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Cultural decay is nothing to be proud of.


We live in a nation where some people are high enough in the political food chain that they are no longer held accountable for crimes against the nation.
That would explain the lack of prison time for Richard Nixon.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:51 AM
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Location: Bel Air, California
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New Documents Reveal "Hillary Clinton Knew Her BlackBerry Wasn't Secure"
Apparently, Clinton and Mills (who we profiled here, for those interested in the Clinton-BlackRock connection) were “addicts” in the true sense of the word. When they were told “no” they tried to get around it – twice.
First, they tried asking what kind of arrangements were made for Obama. When they were stonewalled, Mills asked why Condoleezza Rice and her staff got wavers but Clinton and her staff didn’t. To that question, the NSA answered as follows (and this is a quote from an e-mail sent by an unidentified source): “Use expanded to an unmanageable number of users from a security perspective, so those waivers were phased out and Blackberry use was not allowed in her suite.”
“The department’s designated NSA liaison, whose name was redacted from the documents, expressed concerns about security vulnerabilities inherent with using BlackBerry devices for secure communications or in secure areas,” AP reports, adding that “Clinton began sending work-related emails through private accounts soon after, in March 2009.”

Ok, so what’s the point, other than that Hillary Clinton is arrogant and isn’t used to being told “no?” For the answer we go to Judicial Watch’s president Tom Fitton who explains that “these documents show that Hillary Clinton knew her BlackBerry wasn’t secure.”

He continues: “Then why did she use it to access classified information on her illicit email server? The FBI and prosecutors ought to be very interested in these new materials.”
There you have it. Generally speaking then, this throws cold water on the idea that Clinton was ignorant to matters of cybersecurity and encryption and thus likely knew that using her home server to send work related e-mail was a poor decision from a national security perspective. More specifically, though, this seems to indicate that Clinton knowingly sent e-mail from an unsecure device.

Hacker Guccifer: Clinton's Server Unprotected, 'Like an Open Orchid' - Breitbart
Guccifer said, per a translator, that Clinton’s server was unprotected, and he had total access to the server that “was like an open orchid on the Internet, as many such servers are.”


Hillary Clinton's email server traced to Internet service registered to NY home | Fox News
Most Internet users rely on professional outside companies, such as Google Inc. or their own employers, for the behind-the-scenes complexities of managing their email communications. Government employees generally use servers run by federal agencies where they work.
In most cases, individuals who operate their own email servers are technical experts or users so concerned about issues of privacy and surveillance they take matters into their own hands.
Clinton has not described her motivation for using a private email account -- hdr22(at)clintonemail.com, which traced back to her own private email server registered under an apparent pseudonym -- for official State Department business.

so what?
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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No I'm going to call it right now. I'm sticking a fork in the anti-Clinton crusade. You guys are done.

And the point is, should she win--- and it is likely she will-- the crusade will be a colossal failure.

Decades of propaganda against the Clinton's will have failed to even leave a dent.

Wake up! They're headed for the presidency.

Rush Limbaugh is a failure. Sean Hannity is a failure.

These guys are political snake oil salesmen. Political pied pipers who have led their followers off a cliff.

The majority of people don't abhor the Clinton's to the extent Right Wing Radio thinks they should be abhorred.

They've tried to sell people an image of the Clinton's that is not real and it's blowing up in their faces.

I don't know how you face your listeners if you're Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity after a Clinton win in this election.

Where do you go from there after the Clinton's regain the highest power in the land after all your attacks? After 25+ years of attacks?

It will show how impotent and pointless all your talking and attacks have been. The whole point of talking about the Clinton's was to expose them so they could not acquire more power.

What do you talk about when the Clinton's have kicked aside all your efforts to defeat them?

Your show--- your whole stickt--- becomes irrelevant. You become irrelevant.
Limbaugh and Hannity will continue to make millions catering to the angry white people. They don't ever have to be right about anything, they have to just keep feeding angry people what they want to hear, and a Hillary Presidency means minimum 4 more years of them doing exactly that. When Bush was President, they had the "anyone who questions the war is unpatriotic" angle to take and boy did they ever, especially Hannity.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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The FBI never convicted Al Capone of all of his crimes either that didn't make him a good, honest man. Hillary is hardly the first criminal the government had a hard time convicting.
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