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Old 06-21-2016, 02:27 PM
 
Location: louisville
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And that provides them with deep insight in the readiness of F-16 squadrons in Italy - how?
See a few above. I'll just say again:

The CIA has become almost the 6th branch of the armed services. Info flows between socom and the CIA.

Actually, since 9-11 CIA special operators are inserted with socom units. The contractors were protecting CIA assets. Aviano is well known.

I'm not saying there was an administrative stand down order to the military. But the military did know the assets were under attack.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:30 PM
 
Location: louisville
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And that provides them with deep insight in the readiness of F-16 squadrons in Italy - how?
As a note, I don't buy into conspiracy theories. I do buy into incompetence.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:30 PM
 
Location: DFW
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They were too busy looking for an excuse to make up.. they didn't want to send anyone , they wanted it to all go away, so they ignored it.. played it down as a demonstration that got out of hand.. if they had sent the planes that would tell us it WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK.. so they decided to take the casualties and blame a movie. all for politics.. so Obama would get into office again.
Sounds like the same reason they don't want to associate the Orlando shooter with Islam and Terrorism.

Remember, he did it cause he was a frustrated closet gay.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:33 PM
 
Location: louisville
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Sounds like the same reason they don't want to associate the Orlando shooter with Islam and Terrorism.

Remember, he did it cause he was a frustrated closet gay.
The only quibble id have about calling Libya a terrorist attack is that it was in Libya, in the middle of a civil war.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:35 PM
 
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The only quibble id have about calling Libya a terrorist attack is that it was in Libya, in the middle of a civil war.
Not good Management from the top!


What kills me this was going on for few days and DOD/CIA /State Department had real time reporting on the ground as things went from Bad to Really Bad.


I hope some learns a lesson here.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:37 PM
 
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See a few above. I'll just say again:

The CIA has become almost the 6th branch of the armed services. Info flows between socom and the CIA.
That doesn't translate to one specific CIA operator having access to the operational readiness status of a specific airbase on a specific date for film-making purposes, and I suspect you know it. This sort of information isn't handed out unless there's an operational reason. ("We're making a cool film with Michael Bay" isn't it.)

We had these arguments after the attack. Then as now, contradictory ideas are forwarded, as long as they can make the administration look bad. Only now, we have had - what is it? - 7 committees turning every stone. And finding bupkis.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I just finished watching 13 hours for the 2nd time to see if I missed something. All the support...air, marines and drone were ready to go and not one showed up. Only the POTUS could have issued such an order.

On the wrong side of right again.
Who ordered the Stand Down? Obviously Michael Bay.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:37 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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if i recall, there was no " stand down" order.
lol.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:38 PM
 
Location: louisville
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Not good Management from the top!
The top question though, CIA top? State department?

I really don't think the commanders in aviano would have just wrung their hands if they had any r.o.e. It was af drone after all.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:40 PM
 
Location: louisville
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That doesn't translate to one specific CIA operator having access to the operational readiness status of a specific airbase on a specific date for film-making purposes, and I suspect you know it. This sort of information isn't handed out unless there's an operational reason. ("We're making a cool film with Michael Bay" isn't it.)

We had these arguments after the attack. Then as now, contradictory ideas are forwarded, as long as they can make the administration look bad. Only now, we have had - what is it? - 7 committees turning every stone. And finding bupkis.
I'm saying aviano had no r.o.e.

Now was that cia's fault? State department? Both.

Aviano knew what was going on. But no commander is going to unilaterally authorize air strikes on a sovereign country without said auth or predetermined r.o.e.
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