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Old 06-21-2016, 07:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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All of the cities mentioned have had dramatic decreases in crime amongst the black and hispanic populations. IF they didn't give a damn then crime would not have went down...

Again, why are you all so focused on Chicago?

Is it really a concern in regards to the crime there (fwiw Chicago is NOT a majority black or hispanic city)

Or is it because you want to associate the black president with murders and shootings?

It's actually because of mostly things like this:

For Some Students, Commuting To School Can Be Deadly : NPR
(Note that Christian Fenger Academy is a name-based public CPS school, not a private religious school)

Chicago Kids Say They're "Assigned" To Gangs : NPR
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Old 06-21-2016, 07:51 AM
 
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Yes, and can you blame them?

Whites do the same thing. But the crime rates in White neighborhoods don't even come close to those committed in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods, even though numerically, there are more Whites in poverty than Blacks or Hispanics.
Crime for whites was much higher when more of them lived in poor urban areas. Violence and murder are more common in urban centers due to more socio-economic issues associated with urban living and also the fact that there is more population and more ways to get into a lifestyle of crime.

The ethnic European mobs and gangs and mafias moved out of inner cities in large amounts over 50 years ago.

FWIW black people like greenmariner mentioned have also been moving out to the suburbs during the time period that crime has decreased in major metros with large black populations. Black people are no different than those older ethnic white neighborhoods in this regard and not every black neighborhood has extremely high crime rates or murder rates. Only specific ones that face the most socio-economic issues.
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Old 06-21-2016, 07:53 AM
 
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It's actually because of mostly things like this:

For Some Students, Commuting To School Can Be Deadly : NPR
(Note that Christian Fenger Academy is a name-based public CPS school, not a private religious school)

Chicago Kids Say They're "Assigned" To Gangs : NPR
So because you are easily swayed by media influence??
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Old 06-21-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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The guns are being brought into Chicago from states where there are basically no gun laws...but you knew that already unless you are completely dense.
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Old 06-21-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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So because you are easily swayed by media influence??
Media Influence? NPR? Couple their reporting on the Chicago violence and gang problem in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods with the actual statistics. Where is NPR wrong?
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Old 06-21-2016, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Rather than Chicago why not use Louisiana that has the highest gun crime rate and loose gun laws.
There are around 50 threads a year professing that gun control doesn't work holding up Chicago as a example, of course the logic of that statement makes more sense but here we are yet again.
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Old 06-21-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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The guns are being brought into Chicago from states where there are basically no gun laws...but you knew that already unless you are completely dense.
Explain New Jersey. New Jersey has strict gun laws, and is in the shadow of NYC/NY state, with also has strict gun laws. Newark has one of the worst murder rates in the nation. Pennsylvania is among the top 10 states with the strictest gun laws.

#10 - Pennsylvania | 10 states with the strictest gun laws | Deseret News

PA, IL, RI, MD, HI,CT, NY, MA, NJ, and CA.

New Jersey is surrounded by strict gun law states.
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Old 06-21-2016, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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So wall them in and let them kill each other over a piece of concrete gutter.
Geographical boundaries are critical to gangs and a common source of dispute between gangs / factions within.

No need for walls. The bad stuff is mostly self contained.

A few months ago a white Chicago suburban mother was a passenger in the family van returning from a weekend in Wisconsin. A white whack job from Milwaukee with a gun was driving alongside the family car. The driver shot and killed the mom. The shooter was apprehended.

This event recieved much local media attention and began the trend of shootings among cars along expressways. Again, the shootings are contained in certain geographical areas or tend to target rival gang members and/ or their extended families in other areas.

The emotional maturity of some people is the equivelent of a tot in a sandbox getting worked up about being called a Poo-Poo Head. The difference is much of the banter occurs on social media and some of the tots have guns and do not hesitate to use them to resolve petty differences. Time of day ( actually the wee hours) and alcohol are often factors.

Those who are related to or otherwise socialize with splintered gang members are at substantially higher risk of being shot than those who have nothing to do with gangs.

The Chicago PD confiscates more unlawful guns than any other community. Most are straw purchases, often made by women in Indiana or suburbs. These guns have a tendency to " go missing" from their original owners.
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Old 06-21-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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Explain New Jersey. New Jersey has strict gun laws, and is in the shadow of NYC/NY state, with also has strict gun laws. Newark has one of the worst murder rates in the nation. Pennsylvania is among the top 10 states with the strictest gun laws.

#10 - Pennsylvania | 10 states with the strictest gun laws | Deseret News

PA, IL, RI, MD, HI,CT, NY, MA, NJ, and CA.

New Jersey is surrounded by strict gun law states.

You know that people can drive across multiple states with a car loaded with handguns, right?

I really sometimes wonder...are people really not capable of understanding thing like this, or is this just some kind "strategy" to win an argument....ignore the most painfully obvious aspects of the discussion.
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Old 06-21-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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Chicago does not clear top ten in terms of cities with highest gun homicide rates.

Most of it in Chicago is black on black, gang related and geographically limited.
The above bold faced comment is a bogus argument lacking intelligence.

The top ten are filled with significantly smaller cities with no upper/middle class areas of significance. Chicago has a large upper/middle class area with low crime, which lowers the city-wide average. However, half of Chicago has a horrid crime rate as bad as anywhere in the US.

For example, in some years Newark NJ has the highest murder rate, but Chicago is literally 10 times bigger in population and area......nearly half of all Chicago neighborhoods have a murder rate HIGHER than Newark. Meaning, you can carve out an area of Chicago 5 times bigger than Newark with a SIGNIFICANTLY higher murder rate than Newark.

What is the left's fascination with denying reality and facts when it comes to the violence in half of Chicago?

Do they want the violence to continue unabated? You can't solve the problem by denying it/downplaying it.
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