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Old 10-04-2016, 08:10 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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All that for a charge without conviction?
Yep. In Maryland individuals under a Domestic Order of Protection (which in some Counties are handed out like candy at Halloween) are required to surrender any firearms in their possession and are forbidden to purchase any.
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Old 10-04-2016, 08:27 PM
 
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You have moaned and groaned for years about "the rich homeowner" that strives, via the ballot box, to keep their neighborhood safe, clean and with value. THIS is why they work so hard to do that: because the alternative is a neighborhood that is a dump. "Everyone else" reaps what they do not sow because they do not care.

Imagine a hypothetical experiment in a hypothetical neighborhood. Lets say that 20% own and 80% do not. Imagine that on Day One of this experiment, everyone starts to care for five years.

At the end of five years, how many of the renters will still be living in the neighborhood and how many will have been priced out?

If you were a renter with no hope of buying a home, would you participate in such an experiment? If improving your neighborhood prices you out, you made an unrequited contribution, because you were not able to enjoy the fruits of your efforts.

Homeowners do not have this dilemma, because their successful neighborhood efforts redound to their equity and net worth without displacing them.

You appear to be expecting or asking renters to literally act against their economic interests.
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Old 10-04-2016, 08:33 PM
 
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The only requirement under the constitution needed, is that one be a person. Other than that, there is no authority for anything government, to infringe on the ability to obtain arms.

It was unconstitutional, to deny this person arms, by government restrictions. Now, this gun dealer can refuse to sell arms to who ever he wishes.


The Redcoats were not selling guns to the patriots.

Corporations are people too! Does that mean a corporation can purchase firearms? (Or did you mean one must be a natural person?)
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Imagine a hypothetical experiment in a hypothetical

You appear to be expecting or asking renters to literally act against their economic interests.
In your example, you do forget the homeowner dilemma of wildly increasing property taxes. Your house going up in value is worthless to you until you try to actually sell it. Meanwhile, it costs you way more money.

Second of all, the renters may not realize an economic benefit, but they will realize the benefit of safety, better lifestyle, better food, and better environment for their children. Those things are realisable right away. Not after a big sale of a home.
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:58 PM
 
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The perps certainly deserve to reap what they sow, but why should everyone else in the neighborhood have to reap what they did not sow?
if you were to start a business, would you start a business in a slum? especially knowing that your business insurance rates are going to be higher than in other areas due to the increase in criminal activity in the area?

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sounds like government and gun dealers have a cozy and highly remunerative business here.

What would it cost to get a FFL? I imagine one could make a nice living ONLY DOING BACKGROUND CHECKS and never stocking or selling a single gun.
unless you were just doing gun transfers between private citizens, why would you even try to get an FFL? also i doubt that you could do background checks for people to take to the local gun dealer, and have them accept those checks, since they have to do they checks themselves. and unless you are doing a transfer between private parties, the gun dealer does not charge for the background check.
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Old 10-05-2016, 01:12 AM
 
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sounds like government and gun dealers have a cozy and highly remunerative business here.

What would it cost to get a FFL? I imagine one could make a nice living ONLY DOING BACKGROUND CHECKS and never stocking or selling a single gun.
There is no charge for a background check. Where would you make money?
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Old 10-05-2016, 01:30 AM
 
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There is no charge for a background check. Where would you make money?
not exactly true, if all he did was private sales transfers, he could make about $15 per transfer, depending on the market. but he would need an FFL.
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Old 10-05-2016, 03:19 AM
 
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Gun distributors are held to tight regulation and any deviation form the Federal Standard they could lose their license to sell to the General Public.


This reported actually did fraud which is a Federal Offence. I wonder if ATF was called.
The ATF doesn't enforce the background check gun law.

They need other gun laws to enforce.
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Old 10-05-2016, 03:22 AM
 
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In your example, you do forget the homeowner dilemma of wildly increasing property taxes. Your house going up in value is worthless to you until you try to actually sell it. Meanwhile, it costs you way more money.

Second of all, the renters may not realize an economic benefit, but they will realize the benefit of safety, better lifestyle, better food, and better environment for their children. Those things are realisable right away. Not after a big sale of a home.

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Many states have property tax caps (of which Prop 13 is the best-known) which protect homeowners from "wildly increasing property taxes". Also, rental property is taxed at higher rates than owner-occupied homes in most states, so any property tax burden on homeowners is even worse on landlords and tenants - homeowners should be grateful for their privileged status. Worse, tax caps sometimes don't even apply to rental property: Michigan has a property tax cap but it also has a specific tax on rental property and a provision that allows voters to override the tax cap ('Headlee override') - so when assessments rise faster than the tax cap allows, voters are asked to override the cap on the rental property tax, which homeowners GLADLY vote for since the rental property tax is not levied on owner-occupied homes. (Voters are NEVER asked to override the cap on homeowner property taxes because it would be political suicide for any politician to ask homeowners to override their own tax cap.)

Sweet to be a homeowner in this country!

As for your second point, renters WHO ARE PRICED OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALIZE ZERO BENEFIT, They figuratively have shot themselves in the foot.
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Old 10-05-2016, 04:40 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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So a gun control thread has now morphed into one with freemkt yet again whining how unfair it is to be a renter.
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