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Old 06-21-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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Flooding Muslims into any civilized society is akin to releasing the Carp into the Great Lakes.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:03 PM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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ISIS is not concerned with our gun laws, they will always be able to obtain guns illegally, as will most criminals

a gun ban will only effect legal gun owners, law abiding hard working Americans whom are trying to protect their family from armed criminals and soon ISIS after all the "Refugees" (ISIS operatives) get here

A gun ban will ensure a smooth quiet transition to Sharia Law here in the US
You didn't read my opening post. I addressed committing a crime to obtain an illegal firearm. It's an extra criminal step a potential mass killer would have to perform.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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You didn't read my post, did you?

Not all perpetrators of mass killings are Muslim but virtually all weapons in mass killings are guns.

Think about it.
should we ban pressure cookers too? that was the weapon du jour for the Tsarnaev brothers.

Sounds like you're the one who needs to think about this some more.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:06 PM
 
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Flooding Muslims into any civilized society is akin to releasing the Carp into the Great Lakes.
I agree. especially when our alleged vetting process allows for WAR CRIMINALS to be working at Dulles airport.

An accused war criminal now works security at a U.S. airport - CNN.com

"He is just one of more than 1,000 accused war criminals living and working in the United States."

what could possibly go wrong?
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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should we ban pressure cookers too? that was the weapon du jour for the Tsarnaev brothers.

Sounds like you're the one who needs to think about this some more.
That's not a mass killing. While tragic, two people died. I'm not aware of pressure cookers being the weapon of choice among mass killers.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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I use the phrase "banning all guns" for balance in this examination, obviously real gun control would not ban all guns.

So let's proceed.

Some say the key to stopping mass killings is to ban all Muslims entry to the country.

Others say the key to stopping mass killings is to ban guns.

Let's quickly look at the roles each of these two variables play in mass killings.

All mass killings require both a combination of a perpetrator and a weapon to be carried out.

Perpetrator = In some mass killings in the United States, the perpetrator(s) has been Muslim, but not all mass killings. Some mass killings have had non-Muslim perpetrators.

Weapon = In virtually all mass killings in the United States the weapon used has been a firearm. Some contend other weapons can be used, and to a limited extent, things like hatchets and knives make up a small percentage of mass killing weapons. But they tend not to be as efficient as firearms and therefore are usually serve as a second choice. An example of an attempt at a mass killing using a knife outside of the United States involves a knife-wielding perpetrator in China who stabbed 20 school children of which all survived.

So based on the above, if we look for the most common denominator to decide which one we want to ban to control mass killings, the most obvious answer is guns. It's guns and not Muslims because guns are the most common denominator involved in mass killings, not Muslims. It's not Muslims because we know that in some cases the perpetrator is non-Muslim. But the weapon is seldom non-gun.

The most common denominator in mass killings is guns because we know in most cases of mass killings a gun is used as a weapon but a Muslim is not always the perpetrator.

So wouldn't you want to ban the most common denominator in mass killings?

Now some will object to banning guns by saying criminals intent on killing lots of people won't care about guns laws and get guns anyway.

However, if guns were made illegal for civilians (specifically assault weapons) potential mass killers would first have to commit a crime to obtain a gun to use in a mass killing. It follows that if guns were illegal a potential perpetrator of a mass killing could be caught in the act of trying to obtain an illegal firearm before a mass killing and thus be thwarted in performing that future mass killing.

But with guns legal, a potential mass killer criminal can obtain a gun legally without committing a crime to obtain that firearm and proceed to perpetrate a mass killing.

At least with guns illegal criminals would have perform that extra criminal act of obtaining an illegal firearm before they commit a mass killing. Criminals would have to risk getting caught first in obtaining an illegal firearm before a mass killing could occur. And that one crime, if detected, could be enough to deter a mass killing.
Who is the "some" you refer to here?
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:09 PM
 
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I agree. especially when our alleged vetting process allows for WAR CRIMINALS to be working at Dulles airport.

An accused war criminal now works security at a U.S. airport - CNN.com

"He is just one of more than 1,000 accused war criminals living and working in the United States."

what could possibly go wrong?
Would Malala act like a carp? Would Muhammad Ali act like a carp?
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:10 PM
 
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Flooding Muslims into any civilized society is akin to releasing the Carp into the Great Lakes.
More like making a culture of cancer cells, and putting it into the Flu Shot serum distributed nationwide.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:11 PM
 
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Would Malala act like a carp? Would Muhammad Ali act like a carp?
Their kids could potentially act as carps.

Islam is an ideology. It can be dormant but when it appears is anyone's guess.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:13 PM
 
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That's not a mass killing. While tragic, two people died. I'm not aware of pressure cookers being the weapon of choice among mass killers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing

the explosion killed 3 and wounded/maimed 264.

but since you're narrowing the scope, how many Americans have died from AR15's vs. died at the hands of Muslims?
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