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Old 06-23-2016, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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1938 is not material to 2016. In 38, this was not a job killer. In 2016, it will be.
I bumped up desertdetroiter and oldhag1 because they said the truth better than I could. What it comes down to it the laws of economics don't change. The corporate propagandists have a new way of communicating that people can't turn off. It's television and the biggest corporations are telling the broadcasters what to say.

While I respect your opinion, I must disagree.
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Old 06-25-2016, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Govt ought to butt out of people's agreements.
By your logic Scott Walker shouldn't be able to make collective bargaining illegal.
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Old 06-25-2016, 10:40 AM
 
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By your logic Scott Walker shouldn't be able to make collective bargaining illegal.
I have no problem with workers voluntarily organizing amongst themselves. But again, the govt should stay out of it.
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Old 06-25-2016, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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I have no problem with workers voluntarily organizing amongst themselves. But again, the govt should stay out of it.
Organizing is not the issue here. He has pushed through a law that prohibits collective bargaining. That makes a union no more than a coffee club.
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Old 06-25-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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Organizing is not the issue here. He has pushed through a law that prohibits collective bargaining. That makes a union no more than a coffee club.
Well bargaining for wages could certainly be a part of any organizing effort.
So a group of workers could negotiate wages and benefits, or unfortunately be terminated..no problem, and govt should stay out of it.
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Old 06-25-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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Hell the government workers are not even afforded overtime, if they travel on a Sunday, they have to take that time off (not sure if it's the same time period or not) during work hours. Now are there essential personnel that get overtime, of course...
Not when I worked fore Uncle SAM.
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Old 06-25-2016, 11:11 AM
 
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Forcing employers to pay for overtime is actually likely to create jobs. It will be cheaper to hire additional employees than to pay existing ones overtime.
Just the opposite.

I worked a LOT of overtime.

A trained employee can do MORE then any new hire.

The hiring process itself takes LOTS of time for advertising, background checks, interviews etc.

The training it takes to get new employees takes YEARS to get up to the level of highly trained ones.

Plus it takes time away from the already trained employee to train the new hire, so LESS work gets done.
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Old 06-25-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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I think business should stay out of the people's gov't.
LOL, great point.

It is ok for companies to spend billions lobbying the gov, but criticism comes when the gov intervenes in business.

Businesses have been using the gov since 1776 to advance their business interest, and there are entire sections of the gov dedicated to business interests, the export import bank for one, the military intervention in Latin America, the $1 trillion bailout, etc.
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Old 06-25-2016, 11:32 AM
 
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Not when I worked fore Uncle SAM.
When was that? Because on this, Chucksknee is absolutely right. I was a federal employee from '89 to '98, and overtime rules were so strict that even the mention of overtime was practically enough to get you disciplined. Those of us in management KNEW that working overtime was an absolute no-no unless you were either TDY (extremely rare for us at the time), traveling, or your task was absolutely mission essential. That approval had to come from a GS-14 or above in all cases. Even as a GS-12, I couldn't unilaterally approve an employee spending one second more at their desk than what their normal work hours called for.
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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When was that? Because on this, Chucksknee is absolutely right. I was a federal employee from '89 to '98, and overtime rules were so strict that even the mention of overtime was practically enough to get you disciplined. Those of us in management KNEW that working overtime was an absolute no-no unless you were either TDY (extremely rare for us at the time), traveling, or your task was absolutely mission essential. That approval had to come from a GS-14 or above in all cases. Even as a GS-12, I couldn't unilaterally approve an employee spending one second more at their desk than what their normal work hours called for.
"When was that?

I retired in Dec. 2006

Because on this, Chucksknee is absolutely right.


I ALWAYS had the option of taking overtime pay OR Comp time ( my boss actually asked why I didn't take overtime instead of Comp Time) even when I traveled on a Friday night or Sunday to be at the site the site Monday morning.

People should NOT make blanket statements when they DON'T know what EVERY Agency allows.

MANY things are NOT government wide.

I did NOT challenge the claim made by Chuck nor do I challenge yours, don't challenge mine because you DON'T weren't there.
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