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I really can't agree with you. The original FLSA set the exempt standard where a man or woman could live comfortably and support a family. These people back in 1938 were your well paid managers and other professionals like accountants, attorneys, or salaried doctors. The exempt standard was put in place for people who certainly didn't need a second job to live comfortably.
What salary would it take for you to live comfortably in the city where you live? That's where the threshold is for working overtime without hardship.
We have to put the white collar sweat shops out of business. They exploited us during the depression and that kind of greed persists.
1938 is not material to 2016. In 38, this was not a job killer. In 2016, it will be.
Who cares, if I work overtime at my current company, I have the ability to take those hours off (during work hours) as long as it is in the same time period....
Amazing what people do not comprehend...
You're a defense contractor...overtime is rare enough as it is, but yeah, you can be comped by being given those hours off on another day. That's not life in the real world. That's the fantasy world of government contracting where the federal government forces private companies to compensate people for the hours they work. Even if you're in management (as i am), your company cannot work you to death and not remunerate you in some form or fashion. It's not allowed.
That's NOT the case in most of the private sector. Managers very often aren't comped. They're being put into management and worked overtime with little to no compensation at all because they're 'salaried.'
And lots of people that aren't in management don't want comp time. If you're gonna hold a person for several hours after their normal work hours, they need to be properly compensated in the form of overtime pay. In Arizona, i have to file overtime claims for my guys if they go over 40 hours in the week. It's pretty rare that we have overtime except for when the crews go TDY....but when we do have it, most (but not all) people want to be paid for it, not just be told that they can come in later on some other day.
That said, the choice should be up to the worker whether they want comp time or overtime pay.
1938 is not material to 2016. In 38, this was not a job killer. In 2016, it will be.
In 1938 that was exactly the same arguement used. The FLSA arose because during the Depression (which most historians believe didn't end until 1939), when it was an employer's market, employees were required to work more and more hours for less pay, yet as the economy was improving and the employers should have been able to start treating their employees more fairly, they instead were continuing to limit the number of employees hired by demanding maximum work at very low pay of those already employed. The businesses were doing better as the Depression started waning, but not employees. It was a very, very ugly fight to get the law passed and the predictions of job loss and business destruction were part of the rally cry of those opposing it. However, in a very short time the FLSA, instead of the predicted job killing, led to an increase in jobs. Employers, when faced with paying time and a half quickly figured out it was better to hire an additional person. In reality the FLSA helped heal the nation.
McDonald's should not be able to supposedly promote the person who has worked themselves up to $9/hr to the fry cook manager, give them a "raise" to $24,000/yr salary (the two things needed to make them overtime exempt), which will allow them to demand the person work 55-60 hours a week for that $24,000. When that happens, the person often ends getting paid less an hour than if they hadn't been promoted.
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1938 is not material to 2016. In 38, this was not a job killer. In 2016, it will be.
Nonsense.
Anything pro worker is always exclaimed by its opponents to be a job killer. Forget it...the game is up. People know better.
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1
In 1938 that was exactly the same arguement used. The FLSA arose because during the Depression (which most historians believe didn't end until 1939), when it was an employer's market, employees were required to work more and more hours for less pay, yet as the economy was improving and the employers should have been able to start treating their employees more fairly, they instead were continuing to limit the number of employees hired by demanding maximum work at very low pay of those already employed. The businesses were doing better as the Depression started waning, but not employees. It was a very, very ugly fight to get the law passed and the predictions of job loss and business destruction were part of the rally cry of those opposing it. However, in a very short time the FLSA, instead of the predicted job killing, led to an increase in jobs. Employers, when faced with paying time and a half quickly figured out it was better to hire an additional person. In reality the FLSA helped heal the nation.
McDonald's should not be able to supposedly promote the person who has worked themselves up to $9/hr to the fry cook manager, give them a "raise" to $24,000/yr salary (the two things needed to make them overtime exempt), which will allow them to demand the person work 55-60 hours a week for that $24,000. When that happens, the person often ends getting paid less an hour than if they hadn't been promoted.
The same people on CD that claim how this or that regulation is a job killer are the same people that want every worker protection they can get.
None of these posters are in the executive class....that's why I don't get why they post such ridiculous anti worker tripe.
rather than trying to keep government out of its business (as they did for a long time), companies are now increasingly bringing government in as a partner, looking to see what the country can do for them.
Top Lobbying Industries
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $3,146,090,212
Insurance $2,190,651,832
Electric Utilities $2,013,127,133
Electronics Mfg & Equip $1,823,347,451
Business Associations $1,811,811,643
Oil & Gas $1,715,405,541
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $1,416,425,661
Education $1,399,862,870
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,310,021,801
Telecom Services $1,271,840,866
Securities & Investment $1,264,774,284
Civil Servants/Public Officials $1,216,181,432
Real Estate $1,215,135,758
Health Professionals $1,189,983,794
Air Transport $1,125,384,003
Misc Issues $929,225,311
Automotive $891,793,138
Defense Aerospace $887,354,553
Health Services/HMOs $863,410,051
TV/Movies/Music $851,379,595
rather than trying to keep government out of its business (as they did for a long time), companies are now increasingly bringing government in as a partner, looking to see what the country can do for them.
Top Lobbying Industries
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $3,146,090,212
Insurance $2,190,651,832
Electric Utilities $2,013,127,133
Electronics Mfg & Equip $1,823,347,451
Business Associations $1,811,811,643
Oil & Gas $1,715,405,541
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $1,416,425,661
Education $1,399,862,870
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,310,021,801
Telecom Services $1,271,840,866
Securities & Investment $1,264,774,284
Civil Servants/Public Officials $1,216,181,432
Real Estate $1,215,135,758
Health Professionals $1,189,983,794
Air Transport $1,125,384,003
Misc Issues $929,225,311
Automotive $891,793,138
Defense Aerospace $887,354,553
Health Services/HMOs $863,410,051
TV/Movies/Music $851,379,595
For more fun? Look at those amounts. The return on lobbying spending is insane. GE a few years ago spent 1.8 million lobbying for the renewal of the energy tax credits for making high efficiency appliances. The payout? 120 million. While one of the more impressive ones, its not the largest, nor the most egregious. Figure that that lobbying money most likely generated about a 10X return for each of those companies.
That threshold should have had an automatic increase to match inflation to begin with. Too many businesses are claiming people are managers while paying them less than a living wage in order to avoid overtime laws. This is one of those rare things where Obama is right.
ITA with this. It is a shame that Congress would try to block this. The GOP is showing it is not for the working class with this move.
Doubling it will kill jobs. I agree it should go up, but would prefer to see it bumped to say $31,200 ($600/wk) this year, then add 2% plus BLS COL factor for 5 straight years.
Forcing employers to pay for overtime is actually likely to create jobs. It will be cheaper to hire additional employees than to pay existing ones overtime.
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