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Old 06-22-2016, 05:53 PM
 
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They actually are.

You should be able to have a society that allows private gun ownership while still having common sense things like comprehensive background checks, not having high-capacity firearms, and not letting people considered dangerous enough not to be allowed on an airplane being allowed to buy guns.

The truth is that more guns amongst the general populace will not make this society safer; they will make it more dangerous. You may have a better chance of people at the bar or school having a firearm and using it to dispatch an attacker, but it will be far outweighed by the sheer quantitative factor of more people from all backgrounds with easy access to firearms walking around everywhere with loaded weapons. It just won't work the way it's advertised.

Living with constant fear and acceptance of death of our young people in schools and such for the sake of some obtuse allegiance to a very outmoded, fanatical reading of the Second Amendment is a fairly stupid tradeoff to make, but that's where we are.
And the term "common sense" just reared its head. As repeatedly stated gun control advocates are devoid of common sense when it's related to firearms.
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Old 06-22-2016, 05:56 PM
 
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The Republicans won't listen to a reasonable gun restriction. They get what they've given the last 8 years. Obstruction....
Just like how the Democrats listened about Obamacare, right?
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Old 06-22-2016, 05:58 PM
 
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Probably because they are responsible for hundreds of innocent people being gunned down every year doing things that shouldn't be considered dangerous, like going to a movie or school or a night club. But we can't talk about that.
Huh? So an inanimate hunk of wood and steel is responsible for going berserk.

Interesting.
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Old 06-22-2016, 05:59 PM
 
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Huh? So an inanimate hunk of wood and steel is responsible for going berserk.

Interesting.
I just looked out my front window and saw a pack of wild guns running down the street. They looked like they were up to no good.
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Old 06-22-2016, 06:02 PM
 
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Huh? So an inanimate hunk of wood and steel is responsible for going berserk.

Interesting.
It's not the inanimate hunks of wood, it's the deranged people who are allowed to own them. But I know, I know, MUST NOT BE INFRINGED, even for the mentally ill or those on terrorist watch lists.

So I guess we just have to accept that we live in a country where deranged people must always be allowed their guns, and just wait for the next mass shooting.

Which should be along any day now.

No big deal. That's just life in America.
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Old 06-22-2016, 06:06 PM
 
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Your cousin only has ONE rifle? I'm shocked!

On the other hand, I agree with you that there should be national laws regarding arms; it should not be a state issue.

The second amendment should apply to every single citizen of the country.

It is federal laws that are keeping me from being able to purchase a rifle immediately to hunt that day. It is also federal law, that we cannot purchase across state lines.
It would be easy to ask Kansas for the privilege to hunt, from out of state, just more costly, than if I was a resident.


The second amendment clearly says, PEOPLE. There is a reason it does not say The right of the citizens, 21 years or older, who are non-felons.
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Old 06-22-2016, 06:06 PM
 
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It's not the inanimate hunks of wood, it's the deranged people who are allowed to own them. But I know, I know, MUST NOT BE INFRINGED, even for the mentally ill or those on terrorist watch lists.
We can keep guns out of the hands of individuals NOW through due process. Secretive lists are counter to due process.
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Old 06-22-2016, 06:07 PM
 
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It's not the inanimate hunks of wood, it's the deranged people who are allowed to own them. But I know, I know, MUST NOT BE INFRINGED, even for the mentally ill or those on terrorist watch lists.

So I guess we just have to accept that we live in a country where deranged people must always be allowed their guns, and just wait for the next mass shooting.

Which should be along any day now.

No big deal. That's just life in America.
Here is a thought, don't let in people who can spawn fools like the Orlando shooter of the San Bernardino shooters.

As for the home grown nuts, just one concealed carry permit holder could have taken them down. But if you are that terrified, lock yourself in your house and don't go out.
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Old 06-22-2016, 06:10 PM
 
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It's not the inanimate hunks of wood, it's the deranged people who are allowed to own them. But I know, I know, MUST NOT BE INFRINGED, even for the mentally ill or those on terrorist watch lists.

So I guess we just have to accept that we live in a country where deranged people must always be allowed their guns, and just wait for the next mass shooting.

Which should be along any day now.

No big deal. That's just life in America.
So, should we start taking cars away from everyone because there a few drunks out there that decide it's a good idea to get hammered and go out and kill people? Somehow I doubt you would be on board with that. I guess we just have to accept that we live in a country where deranged people must always be allowed their cars, and just wait for the next drunk diving, speeding, illegal racing, reckless driving, etc death to occur.
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Old 06-22-2016, 06:19 PM
 
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Here is a thought, don't let in people who can spawn fools like the Orlando shooter of the San Bernardino shooters.
So now you want to selectively keep out people who you think might "spawn" shooters. Even though many of the shooters are home grown Americans.

Stupidity like this is why we cannot have a reasonable conversation about guns. Because these are the inane kinds of responses you get.

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So, should we start taking cars away from everyone because there a few drunks out there that decide it's a good idea to get hammered and go out and kill people? Somehow I doubt you would be on board with that. I guess we just have to accept that we live in a country where deranged people must always be allowed their cars, and just wait for the next drunk diving, speeding, illegal racing, reckless driving, etc death to occur.
And yet another stupid response. Yes, because the purpose of a car is to kill people. Inanity at its finest.
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