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Old 08-12-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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your right

and.....

there is no quick fix like everyone so stupidly wants to believe...there are reasons for all this crime...not one reason but many....

we've become a land of lawlessness, anything goes, from texting while driving, to speeding, to doing drugs, to back mouthing a police officer and resisting arrest.

Yesterday a 6 year old little girl was shot and killed on her front porch in Philly.

it isn't the guns...it's the people behind the guns...kids in gangs who have no where else to go, but to join a gang...lack of moral education and respect.

You start imposing gun laws, there will be no stopping...every time there is a mass shooting, it's "oh, lets make new gun laws". And then some more and then some more and more...and now what your doing is creating a very lucrative business for criminals to sell illegal guns...

Common sense tells you that....

Stop having kids in the ghetto...start raising kids to respect the lives and property of others...and start coming down very hard on crime...build more prisons...make crime pay...

there is no quick fix, and there is no 100% full proof fix...however, there are steps adults can start taking to change things...this world of instant gratification has done nothing but creating a stupid society, with a lot of stupid laws that do not solve any problems.

I don't really think most reasonable people with any true sense about these problems and their causes believes there are any easy answers or simple solutions. You are right that the issues, causes and concerns are many, but I don't agree we have become a "land of lawlessness" any more or less than before, just more people. I think the issues and problems tend to be more a function of location, "location, location, location" as they say in the real estate biz. Personally, where I live, people are most prevalently enjoying a life outside the gun culture and without a whole lot of gun violence, mostly just law-abiding people out to make the most of their life with whatever pleasures they most enjoy. I don't know if this can be said for most Americans, but of course we all know the problems of inner-city crime-ridden areas is another matter, where these sad statistics tend to mount on a daily basis. Answer? Solution? Maybe, just maybe if we can find a way to reduce; poverty, ignorance, kids born into bad parenting or no parenting, drug abuse, spousal abuse, violence..., we might see some progress. The "million dollar question," as also came to mind when I read your comment, including the bolded, is how? More prisons don't help and people who don't care much about themselves or others don't care much about going to prison either, because their lives outside of prison aren't all that much better...
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why not impose martial law in the gang communities? They are like 3rd world countries. And yes, I have worked in central cities, many areas are completely controlled by gangs. Have armed guards patrolling in jeeps 24 hours a day. Make possession of a gun by a felon a mandatory 20 years. Gun murders, mandatory life or death penalty, for whites and blacks. Clean it up rather than blame gun owners.

Why not arm everyone and come in and body bag the evil element and grab those that murder, to hang them in the public square at noon, on Sunday after church. Problem solved.

The bad element that wants to be bad, has to sleep at night too. They can always be jumped, like a rabbit.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:44 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Pretty sure the Constitution, with its LIBERTY, has been compromised enough, don'tcha think?
Yeah, all those amendments. Distorted the intent of the writers, that lot.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:44 AM
 
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Suspend the civil rights of the people in those areas? Areas largely minority? What could possibly go wrong?

Government has taken it upon themselves to implement Marshall Law, more than once, even though the Constitution gives them no authority to do so.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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Yeah, all those amendments. Distorted the intent of the writers, that lot.
Distortion is putting it lightly, to what was intended and actually written and what has changed without amendment.
The 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, & 10th amendments have all been altered severely without amendment by the people and States approval.

It isn't what anyone thinks the Constitution "should say". It is what the text actually says.
It wasn't technical, with big words the people would be confused by and not clearly understand, like you wish all to believe. The Constitution and the words used are very easy to interpret as the intent written and the times & circumstance they lived in, when written. The words have never changed.
The only amendment that has ever been amended, was the only amendment that took liberty from the people.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:57 AM
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Suspend the civil rights of the people in those areas? Areas largely minority? What could possibly go wrong?
We've been through this chapter of U.S history. Nothing good could come from it.

A person who wants to commit murder will use what they can. Knives, bats, pipes, hammers, some people have even committed murder by run over the victim with a car.

Man dies after hammer attack in Daytona Beach

Teen who murdered parents with a hammer to be resentenced | WPEC

Man arrested after hammer attack in East L.A. - LA Times

Blackhawk: Hammer used in torture-murder blamed on John Tercheria, former pro baseball player - EastBayTimes.com

Pizza spat leads to hammer attack | www.ajc.com

One man under arrest after deadly stabbing in Douglas County Oregon | KGW.com

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Old 08-12-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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There is a good reason, those that Murdered, those that Stole, were hung in the town square, so the public could see.
It actually made everyone think twice about either of those things.
Incarceration with parole? Probation?

Set examples and the mind tends to think a little harder before acting.
There is nothing cruel or unusual about a public hanging.
Your comments are a bit "cruel and unusual" to continue reading...

I wish you were kidding, but I know you and people like you are not. Glad you are a small minority and that most of us have moved on from the ways of the Dark Ages. Most people don't want or respond to your sort of "examples," though there are still some more backward countries where your way of thinking still prevails, where public stoning, cutting off hands for stealing, beheadings and the likes are still all too common practice. That sort of thinking is what terrorists filming those beheadings are hoping their enemies will consider, but how does that work for them? We on the viewing end just feel more want for revenge, more violence, to end them. Think! Gang members see their own loved ones killed, maimed, stabbed and tortured, yet they keep at it. You think thugs will change after watching your public hanging show? Hell, they'd invite their friends, try to get front row seats, root the black-hooded guy along and enjoy the show! Then go out and burn a building to celebrate! Violence met with more violence is an age old practice (and problem) that has proven it doesn't bring peace or progress, just more violence, the history of Man repeated over and over. Might work in some cases as all things do have their exceptions, especially for the simple minded, but as a rule, we've become more advanced in terms of how to work toward a better society without public hangings. This really needs explaining? Just like so much that needs explaining for some folks in these threads, I guess so...
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Old 08-12-2016, 11:10 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Distortion is putting it lightly, to what was intended and actually written and what has changed without amendment.
The 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, & 10th amendments have all been altered severely without amendment by the people and States approval.

It isn't what anyone thinks the Constitution "should say". It is what the text actually says.
It wasn't technical, with big words the people would be confused by and not clearly understand, like you wish all to believe. The Constitution and the words used are very easy to interpret as the intent written and the times & circumstance they lived in, when written. The words have never changed.
The only amendment that has ever been amended, was the only amendment that took liberty from the people.
You're a "strict interpretationist" then?
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Old 08-12-2016, 11:10 AM
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Your comments are a bit "cruel and unusual" to continue reading...

I wish you were kidding, but I know you and people like you are not. Glad you are a small minority and that most of us have moved on from the ways of the Dark Ages. Most people don't want or respond to your sort of "examples," though there are still some more backward countries where your way of thinking still prevails, where public stoning, cutting off hands for stealing, beheadings and the likes are still all too common practice. That sort of thinking is what terrorists filming those beheadings are hoping their enemies will consider, but how does that work for them? We on the viewing end just feel more want for revenge, more violence, to end them. Think! Gang members see their own loved ones killed, maimed, stabbed and tortured, yet they keep at it. You think thugs will change after watching your public hanging show? Hell, they'd invite their friends, try to get front row seats, root the black-hooded guy along and enjoy the show! Then go out and burn a building to celebrate! Violence met with more violence is an age old practice (and problem) that has proven it doesn't bring peace or progress, just more violence, the history of Man repeated over and over. Might work in some cases as all things do have their exceptions, especially for the simple minded, but as a rule, we've become more advanced in terms of how to work toward a better society without public hangings. This really needs explaining? Just like so much that needs explaining for some folks in these threads, I guess so...
You pointed to something very important. The gang members in question have a lifestyle of "live and die by the sword". A Milwaukee PD officer asked some gang members where they saw themselves as age 30. Response from gang members: Laughter. Gang members rarely expected to live past 30. Gang members are known to kill members of their own gangs. They're used to seeing death and inflicting it. "Setting an example" won't work because violence is often all they know, and what they live for.
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Old 08-12-2016, 11:11 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Your comments are a bit "cruel and unusual" to continue reading...

I wish you were kidding, but I know you and people like you are not. Glad you are a small minority and that most of us have moved on from the ways of the Dark Ages.
{SNIPPED the blah-blah-blah-blah}
Tell me how cruel and usual public hangings are?

It has been around as a form of eliminating the evil element from societies for how many millennia? So, that throws unusual out the window.

When done right, it is quicker than a bullet to the temple, or injecting poison in the veins, so nothing cruel about it.

Out there for everyone see you hang for your crime of murder or theft. Makes you think it is cruel doesn't it. Makes you scared to mess up, right. Embarrassed and killed on the same day. That will keep all but the most evil in check.
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