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Can you name a weapon that can allow a person to injure/kill seven people all of whom are thirty feet away from the perp?
Weapons are not all the same. A rolled up newspaper can kill a person if used right, or if used wrecklessly.
Sure.
A bomb (chemical, shrapnel, or various other means) Timothy McVeigh, Andrew Kehoe,
A compound bow and arrows (in the hands of a trained professional)
A poisoned drink - Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite, Joseph Di Mambro, etc....
A gas chamber
An electrocution (in the hands of someone who knew what they were doing)
A slingshot and ball bearings (in the hands of a good marksman)
And there are more methods than just those.
That's the point. You are trying to go after ONE of MANY methods of harming another person. Take it away, and these other less used methods will spring up. The point is that ANYTHING is a weapon in the hands of an insane (but smart) person. Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun in Oklahoma City, terrorists didn't use a gun in Nice, France, Jim Jones didn't use a gun in Jonestown when he poisoned hundreds of people....
We need to get to the root of the issue and it isn't guns. Someone going off the deep end and shooting a bunch of people is an effect. The cause is much deeper. Find the cause and find a solution, and guns will become no more dangerous than a piece of paper. And much less dangerous than social media.
A bomb (chemical, shrapnel, or various other means)
A compound bow and arrows (in the hands of a trained professional)
A poisoned drink
An electrocution (in the hands of someone who knew what they were doing)
A slingshot and ball bearings (in the hands of a good marksman)
And there are more methods than just those.
That's the point. You are trying to go after ONE of MANY methods of harming another person. Take it away, and these other less used methods will spring up. The point is that ANYTHING is a weapon in the hands of an insane (but smart) person.
We need to get to the root of the issue and it isn't guns. Someone going off the deep end and shooting a bunch of people is an effect. The cause is much deeper. Find the cause and find a solution, and guns will become no more dangerous than a piece of paper. And much less dangerous than social media.
I say this over and over and over...the left just doesn't get it.
If guns were to disappear from America in one magical wiggle of the nose, the problem is that my daughter could feel no safer walking the street at night. She would remain in absolutely the same amount of danger.
But lacking a witch with a magical nose, the amount of government action--which would without question require house-to-house warrantless searches and considerable violence in constant waves for at least a generation--would change forever the face and character of America. It would not be Britain, Canada, or Australia, it would be something not even recognizable.
Last edited by Ralph_Kirk; 07-19-2016 at 07:47 AM..
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Why do I need to remind you that your daughter tortured, raped and murdered is morally superior than she, with a smoking gun in her hands, standing over a dead attempted rapist?
Last edited by lifeexplorer; 07-19-2016 at 08:01 AM..
Why do I need to remind you that your daughter tortured, raped and murdered is morally superior than she, with a smoking gun in her hands, standing over a dead attempted rapist.
I've followed this issue for a while now, also by way of more than a few gun threads, and though I have not been altogether against gun control, I have come to accept there isn't much that can be done to stop gun violence in America or even to lessen the body count by any acceptable level. I am no gun expert, and I have been chastised for having an opinion though I am not an expert, even for relying on experts instead. However, as compared to many gun enthusiasts in these threads, for example, I just tend to pay closer attention to other experts that tend to make more sense without all the gun obsession detail down to the patina. Accordingly, rather than go round and round those gun circles, I'm glad to have this to offer as my position. IOWs, I tend to agree almost entirely with what is written here. Not that the "answers" put forth here are altogether satisfying, but about the best we can do I think...
"What can be done to address this much larger toll of gun violence, which leaves nearly 100,000 Americans killed or wounded each year?"
the bulk of gun violence arises from gangs and drugs defending territory and seeking revenge for being dissed. Erase that and gun violence would hardly be noticable. The justice system needs an overhaul as it uses concepts from the 19th century with a vastly different culture and attitude. Prisons have become universities of advanced degrees in crime and recruitment. We presently are nurturing the individuals that commit the gun violence. We turn loose felons because of overcrowding, release illegal alien felons and lock up people who should be sentenced to paying resitution or guilty of some administrative law violation.
As the social aspect of the problem is too complex for legislators to deal with, gun ownership is attacked. The laws have a diminishing point of effectiveness which has long been passed. It makes a convincing argument the liberals and former dem party is sacrificing innocent lives today to install their agenda item of no guns in the far distant tomorrow.
Theft from Federal armories, law enforcement and gun stores generate a large percent of illegal guns. For grins, search on 'guns stolen', preceded by any state name and add up the numbers.
the bulk of gun violence arises from gangs and drugs defending territory and seeking revenge for being dissed. Erase that and gun violence would hardly be noticable. The justice system needs an overhaul as it uses concepts from the 19th century with a vastly different culture and attitude. Prisons have become universities of advanced degrees in crime and recruitment. We presently are nurturing the individuals that commit the gun violence. We turn loose felons because of overcrowding, release illegal alien felons and lock up people who should be sentenced to paying resitution or guilty of some administrative law violation.
As the social aspect of the problem is too complex for legislators to deal with, gun ownership is attacked. The laws have a diminishing point of effectiveness which has long been passed. It makes a convincing argument the liberals and former dem party is sacrificing innocent lives today to install their agenda item of no guns in the far distant tomorrow.
Theft from Federal armories, law enforcement and gun stores generate a large percent of illegal guns. For grins, search on 'guns stolen', preceded by any state name and add up the numbers.
It's not complex for legislators to deal with but it's too politically charged. A simple law that says anybody and their accomplices commit any felon with any arm must serve a mandatory 20 years of sentence without parole would dramatically reduce gun crime.
However, it may affect one particular group of Democrat voters, so it's a no-go.
I think a law to make it illegal to kill people would work, wouldn't it?
And we could back it up with the death penalty! That'll put an end to gun violence real quick.
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