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Old 06-23-2016, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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In an unexpected decision by a 4-3 majority (Justice Kagan recused; Justice Scalia dead)

https://twitter.com/thedailytexan/st...86062963531776

The full text of the decision is here:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...4-981_4g15.pdf

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SCOTUS ruling steps back constitutional scrutiny of affirmative action programs, making them substantially likely to be upheld.
https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/statu...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

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Old 06-23-2016, 09:14 AM
 
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So, despite the variety of equality laws in place, the court ruled that in fact, an institution can use race/ethnic factors to make a decision to admit someone into college or not if they did not meet the minimum requirements.

I am sure if this was reversed, meaning if it was whites getting accepted over minorities even though the whites did not meet the minimum requirements, the court would have not ruled in this way.

The court is basically stating it is ok to discriminate on the basis of race and national origin, as so long the institution can show it has "goals" it is trying to achieve, which by the way, the university does not have goals for whites or for males, just minorities and females, so whites and males will never get this special treatment from the university.
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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I think affirmative action is a joke. Lets all be equal except when it comes to jobs and schools lol You would think people would have more pride in themselves and want to earn their positions in life and not have things just given to them.
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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The court is basically stating it is ok to discriminate on the basis of race and national origin, as so long the institution can show it has "goals" it is trying to achieve, which by the way, the university does not have goals for whites or for males, just minorities and females, so whites and males will never get this special treatment from the university.
Don't be the worst white male candidates and you don't have anything to worry about. I have a hard time feeling a lot of sympathy for the students who just scrape by getting in - - you were a marginal candidate to begin with.
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Old 06-23-2016, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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Good. Some people will never be able to stand on their own, they need a good condescending pat on the head and a helping hand from their betters.
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Old 06-23-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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Don't be the worst white male candidates and you don't have anything to worry about. I have a hard time feeling a lot of sympathy for the students who just scrape by getting in - - you were a marginal candidate to begin with.
You you are for students who just scrape by getting in on the basis of race? Just because they are non-white?

This student was not in the top 10% so she did not get in, yet the university allows for non-whites to get in if they are not in the top 10%, using race as a factor. That is ok with you?

Why not have equality, and apply the same standard to everyone regardless of race?

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Good. Some people will never be able to stand on their own, they need a good condescending pat on the head and a helping hand from their betters.
That would be all the minority students who got accepted based on race, not because they were in the top 10%.
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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This student was not in the top 10% so she did not get in, yet the university allows for non-whites to get in if they are not in the top 10%, using race as a factor. That is ok with you?

Why not have equality, and apply the same standard to everyone regardless of race?
How should a college or university determine who is admitted? What criteria are acceptable to you?
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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How should a college or university determine who is admitted? What criteria are acceptable to you?
They should use what ever criteria they want, as long as it is applied equally and not on the basis of a protected class.
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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nothing like using inequality to force,,,inequality


schools jobs, people should be chosen based on their skills and ability, NOT race
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:32 AM
 
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They should use what ever criteria they want, as long as it is applied equally and not on the basis of a protected class.
What does that look like in practice?

Assuming that the "top 10%" thing is taken out of play, what criteria can be used to choose who to admit?

Can a college make any admissions choices on the basis of wanting more diversity in their student body?

Assuming all else is equal, what can "tip the scales" in favor of one applicant? (And, yes, by saying "race can be a factor in admissions decisions, this is the exact scenario that is being spoken about.)
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