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Old 06-26-2016, 05:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by PullMyFinger View Post
This guy was granted immunity and still invoked the 5th 125 times in 90 minutes.
If you ever found yourself a small guy caught up in a very big game, you'd be a complete idiot to not plead the Fifth. Immunity sounds great, until a lawyer whose hourly fee is larger than your house payment starts picking it apart. Any 2nd-year law student would tell you that.
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Old 06-26-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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He has no reason to be afraid of the FBI as long as he told them everything.
That's very trusting. Alternately he can plead the Fifth and not have to trust their guarantees.
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Old 06-26-2016, 06:07 PM
 
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I don't care if he took advice from his mother. Most rational people see it as something to hide. If someone doesn't have something to hide, they or their lawyer doesn't tell them to "plead the 5th!" over and over again in the non-bizarro world.
There's a purpose to the Fifth. In fact, its exact purpose is to keep that sort of Star Chamber logic from reoccurring.
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Old 06-26-2016, 06:07 PM
 
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That's very trusting. Alternately he can plead the Fifth and not have to trust their guarantees.
I thought defendants have blanket immunity from being forced to testify by pleading the fifth. Witnesses do not I thought, and a immunity guarantee can be used to compel a witness to testify I believe. IE with immunity you no longer have a fifth amendment guarantee when testifying against someone else.

Just feeling too lazy to google it all at the moment.
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Except for the 125 questions he didn't answer.
It wasn't the FBI asking. Nor was it a criminal case. It was a civil court witch hunt from judicial watch, who already knew what he was going to say, but kept asking, over and over.

No lawyer in his right mind would let someone talk in a civil case, with a criminal investigation still not closed.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Simply incorrect. There are places where Clinton was obviously wrong but no where that she has been shown to have lied.
Reminds me of tonight's episode of Game of Thrones:

You lied!

I didn't lie. I was wrong.

Aye, you were wrong. How many died because you were wrong?



Let's all pretend that Hillary hasn't lied. We'll pretend she's been wrong over and over and over again.

I don't want someone with that kind of record of *being wrong* in charge of anything.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:02 AM
 
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Except for the 125 questions he didn't answer.
I'll try and explain this one more time. Pagliano has been interviewed by the FBI, it's for that interview he has been granted limited immunity. The keyword here is limited. Anything he has told them in that interview cannot be used to prosecute him unless he's lying or divulges it elsewhere. If any or all of those 125 questions were asked of him during that FBI interview it's within his best interests to tell them.

The reason he plead the fifth and the reason the judge allowed him to plead the fifth is because his immunity does not extend to those court proceedings, anything he said could of been used to prosecute him. This court hearing is a side show, what he told the FBI and how they are going to use that information is the main event.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:10 AM
 
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That's very trusting. Alternately he can plead the Fifth and not have to trust their guarantees.
If the FBI burns him no lawyer on the planet is going to advise their client to take such a deal in the future.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:16 AM
 
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... and a immunity guarantee can be used to compel a witness to testify I believe.
I would assume if they want him to testify in court they would have to extend it to full immunity. I would also assume his agreement includes such a stipulation.

As I mentioned before I would not be surprised if the FBI and/or Pagliano's attorney set it up this way purposely so he could plead the fifth in other court proceedings.
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:43 AM
 
Location: United States
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It wasn't the FBI asking. Nor was it a criminal case. It was a civil court witch hunt from judicial watch, who already knew what he was going to say, but kept asking, over and over.

No lawyer in his right mind would let someone talk in a civil case, with a criminal investigation still not closed.
If it's a witch hunt, it is being lead by the judge in the case that has granted Judicial Watch discovery. The judge in this case (Judge Sullivan) was appointed by President Bill Clinton.

You were saying something about a witch hunt?
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