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Old 06-25-2016, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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lol the whole pell grant scheme is illegal
It's 36 years old, this year.

Congress, not POTUS, controls the funding for it.
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Old 06-25-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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It's 36 years old, this year.

Congress, not POTUS, controls the funding for it.
Right, which is why I said "obama should advocate for..."
Oh and it should be ended regardless.
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Transition Island
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Here are additional grants to assist younger adults and ex-offenders with work and training. The opportunities are very limited when we think of the many people that need it, but sincerely it appears to be some great programs being launched to get people on the right track again.

Reentry Demonstration Projects for Young Adults
Young adults who exit the correctional system face myriad challenges that include a lack of education and employment skills, antisocial attitudes and values, mental health and substance abuse problems, medical issues, lack of housing and family issues. To help these young people reinvent their lives, grants totaling $31.3 million are being awarded to seven organizations to provide job training and a path to meaningful employment.
The grants will help design programs for adults ages 18 to 24 that apply evidence-based interventions, such as mentoring, career pathways, registered apprenticeship, family reunification and other promising practices with a focus on providing occupational training and credentials. The department will conduct a rigorous evaluation of each program to build upon the evidence base in the area of reentry.

Reentry Demonstration Project Grantees City State Service Areas Amount
The Dannon Project Birmingham Ala. Birmingham, Anniston and Hobson City, Ala.; Florence, S.C. $4,500,000
Latino Coalition for Community Leadership Santa Barbara Calif. Aurora/Denver, Colo.; Bakersfield, Santa Ana, Long Beach and Los Angeles, Calif. $4,500,000
Eckerd Youth Alternatives Inc. Clearwater Fla. Washington, D.C.; East Tampa, Fla.; Allendale, Bamberg and Barnwell counties, S.C. $4,500,000
Goodwill Industries International Rockville Md. Austin, Texas; Detroit, Mich.; Houston, Texas; Johnstown, Pa.; New Orleans, La. $4,500,000
Strive International Inc. New York N.Y. Baltimore, Md.; Hartford, Conn.; New Orleans, La.; New York, N.Y. $4,300,000
Opportunities Industrialization Centers of America Inc. Philadelphia Pa. NW and SE Minneapolis, Minn.; Miami-Dade County, Fla. $4,500,000
Centerstone of Tennessee Inc. Nashville Tenn. Carbondale and East St. Louis, Ill. and Nashville, Tenn. $4,500,000


Training to Work
The program will award grants totaling $21.2 million to 16 organizations to serve individuals in high-poverty and high-crime areas, including U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development-designated Promise Zones, which have a large proportion of citizens returning from incarceration and typically experience high rates of recidivism. These grants offer returning citizens in a state or local work release program an opportunity to participate in a career pathway program that defines and maps out a sequence of education, training and workforce skills training resulting in skilled workers that meets the needs of local employers. Additionally, these programs will provide services such as case management, mentoring, and follow-up services.
Training to Work Grantees City State Amount
The Dannon Project Birmingham Ala. $1,360,000
Volunteers of America of Los Angeles Los Angeles Calif. $1,360,000
OIC of Broward, dba OIC of South Florida Ft. Lauderdale Fla. $1,360,000
Tampa Bay Academy of Hope Inc. Tampa Fla. $1,360,000
Emerson Park Development Corp. East St. Louis Ill. $1,357,275
Workforce Inc. Indianapolis Ind. $1,360,000
Goodwill Industries of Greater Grand Rapids Inc. Grandville Mich. $1,200,000
Fathers` Support Center Saint Louis Inc. St. Louis Mo. $1,359,872
Foundation for an Independent Tomorrow Las Vegas Nev. $1,360,000
Structured Employment Economic Development Corp. New York N.Y. $1,360,000
PathStone Corp. Rochester N.Y. $1,000,000
Greater Durham Workforce Development Board Durham N.C. $1,360,000
The RIDGE Project Inc. McClure Ohio $1,360,000
Goodwill Industries of Northwest Ohio Inc. Toledo Ohio $1,359,812
TRWIB Inc. (Three Rivers Workforce Investment Board) Pittsburgh Pa. $1,358,939
SER - Jobs for Progress of the Texas Gulf Coast Inc. Houston Texas $1,359,995

Pathways to Justice Careers
The program will award grants totaling $6.5 million to five non-profit organizations and two local governments to provide mentorship and career training to youth ages 16 to 21 that are at risk of dropping out of high school, becoming involved in the criminal justice system, or already hampered by juvenile records. Justice and emergency services personnel will mentor students to explore career paths as police officers, firefighters, lawyers, paramedics and other related professions.
These grants will use a career pathways model – an articulated sequence of rigorous academic and career/technical courses resulting in educational and skills credentials – adapted for in-school youth. Participants will be encouraged to graduate from high school or earn a high school equivalency degree and to either enter the workforce or pursue further pertinent training or post-secondary education.

Pathways to Justice Careers Grantees City State Amount
Friendly House Inc. Phoenix Ariz. $1,000,000
Pima Prevention Partnership Tucson Ariz. $1,000,000
Youth Policy Institute Los Angeles Calif. $1,000,000
San Diego County Office of Education San Diego Calif. $1,000,000
Action for Boston Community Development Inc. Boston Mass. $1,000,000
City of Minneapolis Minneapolis Minn. $500,000
Philadelphia Youth Network Inc. Philadelphia Pa. $1,000,000

Linking to Employment Activities Pre-Release
To help integrate government services offered by correctional facilities with federally funded workforce development programs and assist soon-to-be-released inmates transition to working life in their communities, approximately $5.5 million in grants to 11 organizations operate specialized American Job Centers inside correctional facilities. Approximately 2,500 American Job Centers are located in communities throughout the country, funded by the U.S. Department of Labor and administered by local workforce investment boards. By placing specialized centers inside of county, municipal, or regional jails and correctional facilities, local inmates will receive services to prepare for employment and increase their opportunities for successful reentry into their home communities.
This is the second round of Linking to Employment Activities Pre-release grants designed to build partnerships between local correctional systems and the local workforce systems to connect individuals with criminal records who are transitioning to a range of community-based services that lead to employment and a renewed future. Previously, the department awarded $10 million to 20 organizations in 14 states in June 2015.
Linking to Employment Activities Pre-release Grantees City State Amount
South Bay Workforce Investment Board Inc. Hawthorne Calif. $500,000
San Diego Workforce Partnership Inc. San Diego Calif. $500,000
County of Orange Santa Ana Calif. $500,000
The WorkPlace Bridgeport Conn. $499,875
County of Cumberland Bridgeton N.J. $500,000
RochesterWorks Inc. Rochester N.Y. $500,000
County of Westchester on behalf of Westchester-Putnam Workforce Development Board White Plains N.Y. $500,000
Community Action Organization of Scioto County Inc. Portsmouth Ohio $471,042
Workforce Investment Council of Clackamas County Inc. Oregon City Ore. $500,000
City of Providence Providence R.I. $499,672
Southwest Washington Workforce Development Council Vancouver Wash. $500,000
These initiatives are part of the Obama administration’s ongoing efforts to help Americans who have paid their debt to society reintegrate into their communities and lead prosperous, law-abiding lives. Many of the grants align closely with the administration’s “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative which seeks to close opportunity gaps still faced by too many young people and often by boys and young men of color.
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:10 AM
 
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Hopefully, they will get a degree while in prison and a decent job upon their release. Pell grants for prisoners: Obama to give inmates a second chance at college
Who cares about the people they harmed right? As long as Obama's favorite people get a leg up.
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:14 AM
 
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This is not a rehabilitation program. It is yet another scheme in the never ending effort to shovel tax payer monies into a bloated and corrupt education system.
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:14 AM
 
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Yes, the Pell Grant program for inmates is illegal. It was made illegal in 1994, when Bill Clinton was in office. Shocker. I'm sure the move was too keep recidivism nice and high. Prisoners are easier to control than voters (and apparently the two groups shouldn't be allowed to overlap, because freedom or something) and the system we have is highly profitable.

Here's the thing; I support this. Now, I think Obama would be wiser to maybe go after the Bill that makes this illegal and start making real policy change. He didn't, likely because he just assumes congress won't act on it (which he's probably not wrong; they suck and that's our fault, not his) and because to go after something that happened while Bill was in office could potentially hurt Hillary. The thing about Obama is he's far from being perfect; he's done a lot I disagree with. But unlike Bill or Hillary, I honestly believe he sort of cares and wants to make things better. And so did Bush. Rather or not they were always right, I actually sense that they wanted to make America better. I don't get that from any of the candidates left (unless they aren't Donald or Hillary....).

Also, .06% of all pell grant money goes to inmates. If the issue is how unfair it is that money is going to pell grants, understand that tackling what goes to inmates is a monumental waste of time. Sort of like how dealing with gun violence and going after 'assault weapons' is stupid as well.
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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We have been seeing that crime does pay and this is another example. Here is an idea, how about not getting into trouble in the first place and staying out of prison?
Pell grants seem like a good idea for the cons as long as it is not taking away from people who have kept their noses clean on the straight and narrow.

Why are we always treating the aftermath of the disease and not the symptons?

Illegals and drugs coming across the border infecting all aspects of America. Answer, Secure the border.
High death rate due to illegal guns in big cities. Answer, Go after the gang bangers
Scheming Terrorists in our midsts. Answer. Slow down or stop immigration from countries that hate us.

Instead we wring our hands in the wake of the aftermath of problems.
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:19 AM
 
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We have been seeing that crime does pay and this is another example. Here is an idea, how about not getting into trouble in the first place and staying out of prison?
Pell grants seem like a good idea for the cons as long as it is not taking away from people who have kept their noses clean on the straight and narrow.

Why are we always treating the aftermath of the disease and not the symptons?

Illegals and drugs coming across the border infecting all aspects of America. Answer, Secure the border.
High death rate due to illegal guns in big cities. Answer, Go after the gang bangers
Scheming Terrorists in our midsts. Answer. Slow down or stop immigration from countries that hate us.

Instead we wring our hands in the wake of the aftermath of problems.
Firstly, the existence of prisons indicates you're losing money. As a tax payer, you pay for law enforcement and prisoners, as well as the salaries of public servants who make the laws that put more people in jail. I wouldn't be too surprised if far more of your money has gone to the 'prison' part than to the 'rehabilitation' part.

But the thing is, you may not agree, but many see offering educational opportunities to ex-cons IS treating the symptoms. And in a way, they may be right. People who received more education tend to commit fewer crimes.

Also, I have yet to see any evidence to show that illegal immigration is the lead cause of crime so your "answer" of stopping illegal immigration isn't really related.
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Old 06-27-2016, 11:30 PM
 
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State community college and State run adult trade programs should be free to all who work/volunteer 500 hours or more a year. In addition to, anyone involved in a college internship or clinical program with the college wluld also suffice in bwing eligible for free education.
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Old 06-28-2016, 12:05 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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There should be no such immoral program as "pell grants" for anyone.
If obama cares so much for these folks, why doesn't he advocate for rescinding the war on drugs and revoking other onerous laws that made so many of them prisoners in the first place? All I see Obama doing here is taking money from one group and gifting it to another while basking in the glory of his redistribution scheme.
Too bad people continually buy into the nonsense
Well the federal government is rumored to be willing to reclassify marijuana, the Fair Sentencing Act is law.

Seems to me, President Obama has been doing what you wanted. But you cant retroactively give someone their life back.

Giving them the ability to go to college seems like at least a step to help them.
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