Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations' (drugs, death, how much)
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Trump has now stated that his ban on all Muslims would no longer apply to all Muslims based on religion but based on region, such as those Muslims coming from Syria and other war-torn Muslim regions.
But is someone who constantly needs to revise and moderate his statements and maybe, God forbid, actions, as he goes along --- in effect a trial and error decision maker--- qualified to be president?
Irrelevant.
With the possibilty of two Supreme Court nominations in the balence, Trump would basically have to be caught on video drowning puppies in radioactive waste before I would ever consider voting for Hillary.
And even then, I'd probably ask what breed of puppies they were.
He is quoted as saying: “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”
That means a temporary halt. The Atlantic article (reading it carefully shows the writer's bias), changes the emphasis from temporary halt to imply it's a permanent ban.
Besides, that was Dec. 2015. Candidate Trump speaking off the cuff. Anyone with common sense knows that he didn't mean a ban.
Do you really think Trump cares about the everyday person? Trump never fails to show the public that it's all about HIM. Wake up! He has no plans. He won't even put his taxes out there because he is hiding something. He wants to build a wall and he may even change positions on that before its all over.
Did you vote for Obama? Because he was against gay marriage, then he was for it.
Not the same. Not even close. Gay marriage was never at the forefront of Obama's campaigning and really never has been. As public opinion shifted, he changed his view. Was it for dirty political reasons or was he just relieved he could present his actual opinion? Who knows. But it's not that important in the grand scheme of things. Considering that Trump's big issue has been immigration and he changes his mind on it every few weeks, that's a little different than a question Obama might get asked by an activist speech to which he just has to answer but otherwise probably wouldn't have brought up.
Surely your blind political bias doesn't actually make that unclear?
And for what it's worth, I think Trump's new stance on immigration makes far more sense. Temporary bans based on region are at least constitutional, unless he means ban on Muslims specifically based on region. This can be an issue for those who are genuinely trying to escape war of course, which is why I still don't agree with what he's saying but at least now it falls within constitutional bounds and is at least based on some kind of reason rather than just what CNN or Fox tells him is dangerous (or tell his followers, since he's clealry speaking their mind and not his own).
That was my question and I was going to ask for proof, but decided the anti-Trumpers aren't worth it. They still think he said he could shoot people in the street. Hell, they still think Sarah said she could see Russia from her house.
They get their news from Salon, HuffPuke, Mother Earth, The View, etc. They aren't the brightest. They aren't worth trying to engage.
It's amusing reading the Trump groupies deflect and deflect.
Candidates have flaws. Especially this one.
Last edited by ATG5; 06-28-2016 at 08:28 AM..
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He is quoted as saying: “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”
That means a temporary halt. The Atlantic article (reading it carefully shows the writer's bias), changes the emphasis from temporary halt to imply it's a permanent ban.
Besides, that was Dec. 2015. Candidate Trump speaking off the cuff. Anyone with common sense knows that he didn't mean a ban.
Nice lie, er, I mean try. But no, not just off the cuff. Written statement by the Trumpster. Anyone with common sense read his words for exactly what he said - "total and complete shutdown until [some undefined and unspecified time]."
Not the same. Not even close. Gay marriage was never at the forefront of Obama's campaigning and really never has been. As public opinion shifted, he changed his view. Was it for dirty political reasons or was he just relieved he could present his actual opinion? Who knows. But it's not that important in the grand scheme of things. Considering that Trump's big issue has been immigration and he changes his mind on it every few weeks, that's a little different than a question Obama might get asked by an activist speech to which he just has to answer but otherwise probably wouldn't have brought up.
Surely your blind political bias doesn't actually make that unclear?
And for what it's worth, I think Trump's new stance on immigration makes far more sense. Temporary bans based on region are at least constitutional, unless he means ban on Muslims specifically based on region. This can be an issue for those who are genuinely trying to escape war of course, which is why I still don't agree with what he's saying but at least now it falls within constitutional bounds and is at least based on some kind of reason rather than just what CNN or Fox tells him is dangerous (or tell his followers, since he's clealry speaking their mind and not his own).
Of course it's not the same. Because liberals are complete hypocrites.
Let me refresh your memory a bit. This was your exact statement: "But is someone who constantly needs to revise and moderate his statements and maybe, God forbid, actions, as he goes along --- in effect a trial and error decision maker--- qualified to be president?"
So Obama changing his "statements" is OK, because he's just changing his view. But Trump doing the same thing means he's unqualified.
Allrighty then, no political bias here, folks. Move along.....
Do you really think Trump cares about the everyday person? Trump never fails to show the public that it's all about HIM. Wake up! He has no plans. He won't even put his taxes out there because he is hiding something. He wants to build a wall and he may even change positions on that before its all over.
And Hillary is totally about HER. Wake up. She doesn't release her speech transcripts to Wall Street execs because she doesn't want us to know what she's promised them in return for her speech $$.
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Originally Posted by ATG5
It's amusing reading the Trump groupies deflect and deflect.
Candidates have flaws. Especially this one.
Same about Hillary groupies. Sixty-six percent believe she's dishonest and untrustworthy, yet they'll still vote for her?
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Nice lie, er, I mean try. But no, not just off the cuff. Written statement by the Trumpster. Anyone with common sense read his words for exactly what he said - "total and complete shutdown until [some undefined and unspecified time]."
Yes, it means a halt to the flow of muslims into the country "until we can figure out" what is going on - who they are, how are they to be vetted. Remember, our security personnel said we haven't got reliable vetting system in place.
Stop twisting it to mean what you want it to mean, just because you are anti-Trump. You need better reasons to oppose him than one that misconstrues what he said last December.
He has since clarified that, but that's not OK with the left either.
Of course it's not the same. Because liberals are complete hypocrites.
Let me refresh your memory a bit. This was your exact statement: "But is someone who constantly needs to revise and moderate his statements and maybe, God forbid, actions, as he goes along --- in effect a trial and error decision maker--- qualified to be president?"
So Obama changing his "statements" is OK, because he's just changing his view. But Drumpf doing the same thing means he's unqualified.
Allrighty then, no political bias here, folks. Move along.....
Does Obama change his statements week to week? Does he say 'that was just a suggestion' to dodge the question? And I'm not saying Obama hasn't been a hypocrite or dodged questions. He's a ****ing politician. Of course he's done both. But he has not done it in the same way that Donald does it.
Since I was responding almost exclusively to Obama change of heart on gay marriage, I'll use that example. Obama over the course of years decided it was time to make gay marriage universal and came out in favor of it, when 4 years ago, he effectively gave the safe answer which was neither that it's right or wrong but said states should make that call. He then gave a story that was probably BS about how his daughters said something about a kid with two moms or something and justified his opinion. Trump's gone from banning all Muslims, to doing it temporarily, to doing it based on high risk countries in a matter of weeks. And he does this sort of thing all the time.
Yes, Obama has changed stances. So has everyone else in DC, with the exception of a few. Donald get caught in lies on a regular basis, and it's not just big things. It's small things. Do you know how tall his wall is going to be? He's given answers ranging from 30 feet to 90. That's a margin of error of 60 feet. The price range as he's stated has ranged from 4 billion to 12 billion, a margin of error of 8 billion. Did you know he said we've never beaten Japan at anything? Think about that for a second.
Look, Obama's various hypocrisies are standard for Washington. Is it still wrong? Yeah. But I fail to see how Donald Trump doesn't represent a far worse version. The only reason people don't think this is because he has no political experience so they don't think he's corrupt from Washington. But's he's already full of it and he hasn't even gotten there yet.
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