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Old 06-27-2016, 04:41 PM
 
Location: USA
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It's not politically correct to state this but it does come down to immigration. That is the reason for BREXIT. Essentially refugees from Africa and the Middle East enter Europe through Greece and the poor eastern European nations and then migrate to the wealthier countries like Britain, France and Germany. And the latter countries could no longer sustain this. They will disband so they can regulate their borders. Western Europe particularly France will be next. And while you may think "Oh they are just being racist" not really. The number of immigrants that moved to Britain in the last 20 years increased from 4 to 9 million people. It is bringing down their economy. Furthermore, these immigrants do not assimilate into their culture unlike immigrants who move to America. It is a completely different dynamic.
Some immigrants there fit right in, especially from former colonies.
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Old 06-27-2016, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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There does? None of those things have to exist. There are many types of government that have existed for 100s of years that were not fair or even remotely Democratic.
Governments that aren't for the people eventually fail.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:10 PM
 
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Governments that aren't for the people eventually fail.
All governments fall. Being for the people, has nothing to do with longevity: Rome and Portugal had two of the longest lasting empires in history and they were definately not for all the people.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:24 PM
 
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All governments fall. Being for the people, has nothing to do with longevity: Rome and Portugal had two of the longest lasting empires in history and they were definately not for all the people.
Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

~ Percy Bysshe Shelley ~
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:38 PM
 
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EU leaders won't let any other country escape.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Is Brexit The First Of Many Dominoes? A Few Charts | Zero Hedge

Interesting.

The poll was taken before the Brexit vote. Not sure if that would swing numbers either way.

However, if 58% of Italians want a vote, a vote seems inevitable. If 48% for sure want out of the EU, that is in easy striking distance to potentially get the majority.


A poll of 6000 adults spread over 7 countries and you draw a conclusion from that?
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:42 PM
 
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A poll of 6000 adults spread over 7 countries and you draw a conclusion from that?
Where did I draw a definitive conclusion? I said "if" indicating the poll may not be reality. However, 1002 Italians is not a bad sample size. We use similar sample sizes for our much larger country.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:28 PM
 
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A poll of 6000 adults spread over 7 countries and you draw a conclusion from that?
What's it really matter if the EU stays together? Is it because it is some Socialist Ideal? Personally, I think that Europe is composed of a bunch of former Colonists who are getting what they deserve
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:31 PM
 
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All governments fall. Being for the people, has nothing to do with longevity: Rome and Portugal had two of the longest lasting empires in history and they were definately not for all the people.
You have a point.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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What's it really matter if the EU stays together? Is it because it is some Socialist Ideal? Personally, I think that Europe is composed of a bunch of former Colonists who are getting what they deserve
It is for the sake of globalism. We were just about to ratify the TTIP, which goes with the TPP, and NAFTA, and other trade agreements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transa...nt_Partnership


Understand, capitalism is globalism. Capitalism needs controls of the entire world's markets and resources. These types of trade deals are "rules", which are basically "laws", and laws are "governance". So international treaties, are a kind of international governance. And ultimately, in order to have a global economy, at some level, you require a kind of "global governance", and an entity which can enforce its provisions(international court?).


Socialism is about making the people dependent on the state, thus increasing the power of the state, by giving it the appearance of legitimacy. The European Union is run by globalist psychopaths like George Soros, it does not exist for the benefit of the people.


The bankers aren't going to let their globalist dream die. And they'll use economic sabotage, to terrorize the people, until they do as they are told.


And the sad thing is, most will. The vast-majority of the population can be bought-off. And the people with the most money, somewhat paradoxically, are the ones most-easily bought. They have the most to lose.

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