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Old 07-06-2016, 09:35 AM
 
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I would call your argument false.

Vasectomies actually involve cutting. And they are done daily in clinics that don't have to meet ambulatory surgery standards.
I wouldn't call it false. How many men have died from vasectomies?
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No deaths resulting from vasectomy have ever been reported in the United States
Vasectomy - In-Depth Report - NY Times Health

And as I've already posted, deaths HAVE resulted in the U.S. as a result of complications of legally performed abortions. The CDC tracks such.

PLEASE stop the MISOGYNY!!!
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:37 AM
 
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Because it doesn't involve surgery.
UCSF, the CDC, and WHO, at the very least, ALL contradict your "opinion."
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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I wouldn't call it false.
I would call it false. You are saying that women's clinics and men's clinics have to meet different ambulatory surgery standards. That's false. Men's clinics do not have to meet ambulatory surgery standards, even when a surgery is being performed. Your argument is false.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:40 AM
 
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UCSF, the CDC, and WHO, at the very least, ALL contradict your "opinion."
No, they don't.

None of those authorities actually say that surgery is involved. Surgery may be involved. But a simple abortion using suction doesn't involve any surgery at all. And neither the UCSF, the CDC, nor the WHO say that suction is surgery.

Another false argument from you. What a shocker!
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:44 AM
 
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I would call it false.
That's because you mistakenly believe you know better than UCSF, the CDC, and WHO (at the very least).

Again... According to CDC records, nearly 80% of abortions are surgical procedures,and women's deaths have been reported as a result of complications of legally performed abortions.

Given those facts, there's no way anyone can legitimately argue that ambulatory surgery center medical and facilities standards aren't necessary for facilities performing SURGICAL abortions.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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No, they don't.

None of those authorities actually say that surgery is involved.
Oh, good grief... How ridiculously desperate is your denial of actual fact?

WHO | Surgical methods for first trimester termination of pregnancy
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:49 AM
 
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Again... According to CDC records, nearly 80% of abortions are surgical procedures,and women's deaths have been reported as a result of complications of legally performed abortions.

Given those facts, there's no way anyone can legitimately argue that ambulatory surgery center medical and facilities standards aren't necessary for facilities performing SURGICAL abortions.
Wrong. The CDC does not say that nearly 80% of abortions are surgical procedures. They say that nearly 80 % of abortions are not medication-induced abortions. The CDC doesn't say that surgery is involved.

You are basing your entire argument on an inaccurate medical term that is used for the sake of convenience.

It doesn't describe the actual procedure at all. And you know this, because if the term surgery applies to suction abortions, then the term surgery would have to apply to simple pelvic exams and pap smears. And it doesn't.

So your argument is moot.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:50 AM
 
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Oh, good grief... How ridiculously desperate is your denial of actual fact?

WHO | Surgical methods for first trimester termination of pregnancy
It's not descriptive of the actual procedure. Surgery isn't involved in suction abortions.
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:01 AM
 
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Wrong. The CDC does not say that nearly 80% of abortions are surgical procedures. They say that nearly 80 % of abortions are not medication-induced abortions. The CDC doesn't say that surgery is involved.
Both UCSF and WHO categorize such abortions as SURGICAL. Take it up with them.

Medical Versus Surgical Abortion
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education...ical_abortion/

WHO | Surgical methods for first trimester termination of pregnancy

Nearly 80% of abortions are surgical procedures, and women's deaths have been reported as a result of complications of legally performed abortions.

Given those facts, there's no way anyone can legitimately argue that ambulatory surgery center medical and facilities standards aren't necessary for facilities performing SURGICAL abortions.

I'm actually dumbfounded that so many of you would think nothing of expecting your girlfriend/sister/daughter/friend/etc. to have a SURGICAL abortion at a clinic that DOESN'T have to meet minimum ambulatory surgery center medical and facilities standards, especially when women's DEATHS occur as a result.
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Old 07-06-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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Both UCSF and WHO categorize such abortions as SURGICAL. Take it up with them.
They don't classify such abortions as surgical. They just use a blanket term.

You aren't arguing based on facts. Your argument is based on semantics. That's why you're dumbfounded.
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