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Old 06-27-2016, 09:20 AM
 
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Justice Breyer authored the majority opinion in the 5-3 case, which broke along predictable lines.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...5-274_p8k0.pdf
Kennedy has lost his marbles.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Keep your religious nonsense out of women's personal lives. And an early term pre-viability fetus is not yet a child.



Yes, and we know that because the same Supreme Court that decided African slaves were less than human later decided a child whose lungs hadn't yet fully developed were non-persons.


There is no basis in logic for this decision and there is no support for it in the Constitution.


More to the point...there is no authority granted by the Constitution for the Court to decide who is or is not a person.




As for religious nonsense, you seem quite ignorant as to what religion is, why is found in every known civilization and how it is expressed by different people in different cultures.


Religious practice is both universal and archaic.


It is intimately connected to our need for art, social structure and control in a universe that is beyond our control.


There is no fundamental difference in mental process between a primitive tribesman prostrating before a wooden god, a Hindu practitioner bathing in the Ganges River and a modern-day statist accepting without question the authority of a government body to decide who is or is not a person.


These are all acts of faith.


Many totalitarian societies have declared troublesome ethnic and political groups to be less than human, and our government, as it relates to our unwanted fetuses, is no exception.


Without belief in a non-governmental deity, a state worshipper, an individual who has indulged his universal and primitive need to believe a superior entity is actually in charge, is inclined to accept what is effectively a religious decree from the state as objective fact.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:25 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Read chapter 6 of the book "Predictably Irrational". It will tell you a lot about animal biology.

I suppose it must be better than a bunch of gray hairs in Congress telling people about animal biology.

And I sure as hell wouldn't look to those buffoons for moral guidance.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:34 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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This ruling is concerning because what it essentially says is that women are 2nd class citizens. Complications from abortions include but are not limited to uncontrollable hemorrhage, perforated bladder, bowel, or uterus, systemic shock, etc. Surgical centers are required to have adequate access to get patients out and to an ambulance as quickly as possible, and at a minimum... the physician in charge at the particular time of the procedure has to have admitting privileges at a local hospital.

That said, it is a Constitutional right for women to take risks with their own health. That's exactly what this ruling does: preserves the right of women to agree to be treated as 2nd class citizens in regards to their health.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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The laws imposed on these clinics was obviously a means of circumventing Roe V Wade.


So much time spent by these states trying to eliminate the symptom rather than addressing the cause, in fact many states have gone out of their way to close clinics that offer contraception and education. Rather self defeating since their focus should be the prevention of unwanted pregnancies and then abotrtions.


I don't see how the 3 dissenting justices could rationalize that this wasn't an undue burden.

Now insert "guns" in place of "abortion" and admit you are a hypocrite.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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This ruling is concerning because what it essentially says is that women are 2nd class citizens. Complications from abortions include but are not limited to uncontrollable hemorrhage, perforated bladder, bowel, or uterus, systemic shock, etc. Surgical centers are required to have adequate access to get patients out and to an ambulance as quickly as possible, and at a minimum... the physician in charge at the particular time of the procedure has to have admitting privileges at a local hospital.

That said, it is a Constitutional right for women to take risks with their own health. That's exactly what this ruling does: preserves the right of women to agree to be treated as 2nd class citizens in regards to their health.
Complications from abortions are rare, occurring less than a quarter of a percent of the time, about the same frequency as with colonoscopies. Many colonoscopies are performed in outpatient clinics or doctor's offices. Where is your concern for all of the colonoscopy patients being treated as second class citizens?
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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there is no support for it in the Constitution.
Just flat out wrong, and that's been settled law for more than 40 years and won't be changing.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:42 AM
 
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Yet they resort to medieval methods to stop the development of a human life because they made a mistake. Makes sense. Seems real intelligent.
Yes, having sex even though you don't want to get pregnant is always a mistake. I'm sure that all men agree with that.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:42 AM
 
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This ruling is concerning because what it essentially says is that women are 2nd class citizens. Complications from abortions include but are not limited to uncontrollable hemorrhage, perforated bladder, bowel, or uterus, systemic shock, etc. Surgical centers are required to have adequate access to get patients out and to an ambulance as quickly as possible, and at a minimum... the physician in charge at the particular time of the procedure has to have admitting privileges at a local hospital.

That said, it is a Constitutional right for women to take risks with their own health. That's exactly what this ruling does: preserves the right of women to agree to be treated as 2nd class citizens in regards to their health.
Oh give me a break. I am pro-choice , but I have no tolerance for moronic arguments . They think they are protecting the rights of another human, unborn girls included. I think they are wrong, but it has nothing to do with second class citizens. They simply think the child is a citizen.

Men could be argued to be second class when it comes to paternity. A woman can abort while a man cannot force an abortion and is stuck with paternity. That sound "equal"? . The problem is its also a reality issue. She is the one who would have to have an abortion. However if i wanted to be a tool like you people, then I can simply have a moronic argument of my own, just like you.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:43 AM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Human beings make dumb choices in regards to sex. It's not so much stupidity but rather that it leads to non rational thinking.
No it is just stupidity. And a lack of civilized self-control. The animal kingdom on steroids. Sometimes people need to see themselves as others see them then maybe they can start to change to be more civilized. Abortion is barbaric. You have to wonder about the people on the court that allows this barbaric behavior to continue to be without punishment to the doers without considering the rights of the human murdered. That aborted baby was sentenced to death and it had never done anything wrong to deserve it. That is inhumane.

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