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Old 06-27-2016, 06:05 PM
 
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:06 PM
 
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Doesn't matter. Due to our insane laws you can legally by any gun you want whether you are on the list or not.
And especially if you're not.

I realize you are disinterested in the facts, but even the unconstitutional "no fly no buy" laws being pushed wouldn't have kept HIM from buying a weapon because he WAS NOT on any of them.

Not unusual for the anti gun crowd to scream for laws that would have ZERO impact on their supposed motive.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:11 PM
 
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And especially if you're not.

I realize you are disinterested in the facts, but even the unconstitutional "no fly no buy" laws being pushed wouldn't have kept HIM from buying a weapon because he WAS NOT on any of them.

Mateen pledged allegiance to ISIS, had contacts to known terrorists, made dozens of comments about killing people, etc. The FBI were stupid to remove him from the list but it would not have prevented him from legally buying guns if they kept him on it. The FBI are as useless and incompetent as our gun laws.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Don't misrepresent what they're saying. They're clearly talking about gun control. If it's about something else, I'm at a loss. It might just be people wanting to be angry about something. But many liberals feel that Republicans have done nothing to address gun violence and have actively worked to prevent gun control that could have prevent Orlando from happening.

You don't have to agree with that point, but don't start throwing around 'He was a registered Democrat' as if that has anything to do with the overarching issue this little sign is trying to make.
"gun violence" is half what it was when Clinton was President, seems Republicans have done a fine job of reducing "gun violence" without pushing liberal anti gun nut legislation on the people. Of course you wouldn't know that because the media won't report on the constantly DROPPING crime rate, instead they'll sensationalize every tragedy they can and push it 24x7 to make weak minded people think there is some kind of epidemic.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:22 PM
 
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Well, this sign doesn't blame all gun owners. It blames a political party for actively opposing legislation they feel would have prevented this crime.
Not only gun control, the Republican party has fought tooth and nail to keep gay people from obtaining their basic human rights. The right has fostered an atmosphere of hate by their continued opposition to gay marriage, as they cheered people like Kim Davis and Judge Moore who attempted to defy the law and keep gays oppressed.

I think that's what that sign was referring to. And it's a completely valid sentiment.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Doesn't matter. Due to our insane laws you can legally by any gun you want whether you are on the list or not.
Yes, if you're on "The List". The totally unconstitutional secret watch list. The insane part are how so many liberals are all for violating peoples civil rights by punishing them without a trial now that it fits their agenda.

Insane is having government bureaucrats putting people on a list that strip people of their rights without a trial, something progressive democrats are just salivating over the chance to do. And you wonder why people compare you to communists, seems like something Stalin would have loved.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:24 PM
 
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Not only gun control, the Republican party has fought tooth and nail to keep gay people from obtaining their basic human rights. The right has fostered an atmosphere of hate by their continued opposition to gay marriage, as they cheered people like Kim Davis and Judge Moore who attempted to defy the law and keep gays oppressed.

I think that's what that sign was referring to. And it's a completely valid sentiment.
It is an asinine sentiment.

Regardless of the Republicans stance on any LGBT issues, MUSLIMS hate gays. MUSLIMS think gays should be killed.

But keep blaming the Republicans.

You guys are seriously hilarious.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Who said I disagree. I'm not saying the sign is valid, I'm explaining what they are trying to get across, which the OP did not do. Which means they weren't doing their job. They instead went with blame shifting. This sign asserts one point, then the OP gives a totally unrelated point about how Mateen was a registered Democrat. That doesn't address the sign.

And yes, the sign could also be blame shifting, but since this thread deals with the sign as the source material, that point is only relevant to the larger discussion and not so relevant for this specific one.




No.


What you are doing is assigning a motive to an action when the action speaks for itself.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:27 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The GOP voted down the bill that prevents people on the terrorist watchlist from legally buying guns.

Republicans and their insane ISIS-friendly policies are directly responsible for the massacre.
Aclu did as well.


Why can't you understand the no fly list and protocol around it need to be changed?


The rate limiting step is the current procedure.


Dems who voted for obamacare without reading the legislation are the same irresponsible criminals that vote soley on a bill's title and not content.


The FBI dropped the ball on this guy. The FBI reports to Obama's DOJ which reports to obama.


Orlanda shooting would not have been prevented by the bill the dems wanted to pass.


there are other bills invoking the no fly list that would be acceptable to repubs.


whe you have antigun acrtivist CA democrat senator Yee, selling weapons of war to anyone with cash, you can't blame repubs.


Really, linking repubs to orlando shooting is either blind ignorance, blind ideology or pursuit of some other agenda.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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Aclu did as well.


Why can't you understand the no fly list and protocol around it need to be changed?


The rate limiting step is the current procedure.


Dems who voted for obamacare without reading the legislation are the same irresponsible criminals that vote soley on a bill's title and not content.


The FBI dropped the ball on this guy. The FBI reports to Obama's DOJ which reports to obama.


Orlanda shooting would not have been prevented by the bill the dems wanted to pass.


there are other bills invoking the no fly list that would be acceptable to repubs.


whe you have antigun acrtivist CA democrat senator Yee, selling weapons of war to anyone with cash, you can't blame repubs.


Really, linking repubs to orlando shooting is either blind ignorance, blind ideology or pursuit of some other agenda.
Or all 3.
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