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Old 06-27-2016, 11:10 PM
 
Location: London
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Just another excuse to allow the government increased control over citizens. A step towards a police state.
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Old 06-27-2016, 11:35 PM
 
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Just another excuse to allow the government increased control over citizens. A step towards a police state.
And as history shows us with crystal clarity, that, as always, is the end game and goal.
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Old 06-27-2016, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Just another excuse to allow the government increased control over citizens. A step towards a police state.
Towards???

The government knocks on doors asking to see dog licenses nowadays.

It's over. Been over. And yet the statists want more government like a crack addict wants his next fix.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:47 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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Hawaii? Isnt that the state that was illegally acquired and wants their Independence back?
if it were only as simple as what the UK did... American by force..

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Williamson Chang, a professor of law at University of Hawai'i, is one of those Hawaiians. He argues under international law, one country can only annex another by treaty - a document which both parties sign. This is how the entire rest of the US was formed - the Louisiana Purchase, the treaties with Native American tribes, the addition of the Republic of Texas. Anything else - including what happened in Hawaii - is an occupation, Chang says.
Hawaii occupies a unique place in US history - a set of islands 2,500 miles (4,023km) away from the mainland where in 1893, white businessmen and sympathetic politicians, with help from the US military, overthrew a constitutional monarchy.
Aloha to the US: Is Hawai'i an occupied nation? - BBC News
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Old 06-28-2016, 04:03 AM
 
Location: NJ
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some states already do this such as NJ.


You must be fingerprinted to get a firearm id card, your prints run by the FBI.


Most states run your drivers license thru the national criminal database, NICS check despite whatever permits you have or need to purchase a gun. If you take your gun in for repair, you will be run against the FBI's database.


Running a nics check is preferable since it assumes you are innocent of a crime rather than the low probability that you will soon be guilty of some future crime.


Stand back, all gang members in HI will be registering themselves as gun owners and wait times will stunt crime until the backloged que is resolved.


The FBI under obama is not your father's FBI. Missed the boston bomber depsite a warning from Russia, has a watch list in name only, has a no fly list with hundreds of innocent people listed, missed the orlando and san bernadino terrorists.


what is ironic is the bureaucracy on an island in the middle of the ocean feels it has to register owners because they can't solve a violent crime on a very limited land area. Even more discouraging is that this move is intended to ease the work for the police AFTER a crime, and there is nothing but theory that will help solve a crime and certainly nothing to suggest this registration will prevent a crime.


Registering gun owners will be overturned by the courts as it presumes guilt and does nothing to prevent crime.


History repeats itself and HI failed history class.
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Old 06-28-2016, 06:30 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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This could be the beginning of a major shift in gun control.

I'm on the side that thinks there is nothing wrong with this law. It's "just" for criminals, so if you are a law abiding gun owner this "shouldn't" affect you.
Except it's not just for criminals. Hawaii law requires all firearm owners to register. So, everyone with a firearm goes into the database, not just criminals.
(Also notice that the law for revoking firearms kicks in on arrest, not conviction.)
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Old 06-28-2016, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I am very pro gun, but I think this is actually a good idea. I think people convicted of sexual assault or burglary should not be allowed to own guns.
Though there are a few exceptions, felons are generally barred from owning guns in all fifty states.
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Old 06-28-2016, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Hawaii? Isnt that the state that was illegally acquired and wants their Independence back?
Gasp - you mean there are secessionist movements in a state that's not Texas? Whoduthunkit?

(As you know, there are secessionist movements in all fifty states, but you'll only hear about the ones in Texas from our illustrious media.)
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Old 06-28-2016, 06:46 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Who knew?


Some states require each new gun be fired and a casing saved.


"Certain states require that all newly manufactured pistols and revolvers be accompanied by a cartridge case that has been test fired from that gun at the factory. The case must be placed in a sealed container bearing certain information concerning this test cartridge. At the time of retail sale in those jurisdictions with the requirement, firearms dealers must forward the test cartridge to a designated destination such as their State Police Laboratory. As independent Ruger Distributors have nationwide markets without territorial restrictions, we have decided to include a fired cartridge case with all new Ruger pistols and revolvers to minimize the possibility of inadvertent non-compliance with these laws. Retail customers located in states that do not require a fired cartridge case may be assured that the fired cartridge case they receive with the firearm at the time of retail purchase is proof that your new Ruger firearm has undergone our normal test firing procedures during manufacture."
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Old 06-28-2016, 06:51 AM
 
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Hawaii passed a law making it the first state to put gun owners on a federal criminal record database and monitor them.

Hawaii Governor David Ige signed the bill Thursday, which allows police to enroll firearms applicants and individuals who are registering their firearms into “Rap Back,” a Federal Bureau of Investigation database that monitors criminal activities by people under investigation or in positions of trust, Reuters reported.

The law takes effect immediately. “Rap Back” allows Hawaii police to be notified when a Hawaii firearm owner is arrested anywhere in the U.S. In addition, the law allows Hawaii police to evaluate whether a firearm owner should continue owning a gun after being arrested.

This move comes after a sit-in by Democrats to support gun control measures that would keep people on the no-fly list from buying a gun.

Previously, Ige had signed a law that disqualifies people convicted of stalking and sexual assault from owning a gun and a law that requires firearm owners diagnosed with a mental, behavioral or emotional disorder to surrender their firearms.


I Predict A Domino effect from this one.



Hawaii Becomes First State to Put Gun Owners in FBI Database
Arrested. Not convicted, arrested.

Way to shred two Amendments at once, Hawaii.
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