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Old 07-05-2016, 05:50 AM
 
Location: louisville
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The army corp of engineers took over these tasks after the Mississippi floods in the 1920s. It's an artifact of history that could be better done by states. For proof, look at the levee system in New Orleans in 2004.

I think local disasters should also be paid for by states. The costs of living in disaster prone areas should be borne by those who choose to live there.
Agreed. And it keeps the responsibility and control with the people that know it best.

I am a states rights person, but with rights comes responsibility.
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Old 07-05-2016, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Compared to a TRUMP Golf course what are a few dead fish? Wait until a hurricane flush the system into the Gulf and then get on with summer in Paradise.
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Old 07-05-2016, 07:34 AM
 
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I understand. But why ?

How is it that the state is not responsible?

If the Army Corps has unique expertise, why not bill the state for time and materials?
Because the feds apparently maintain control of it, this is being treated similarly to the Great Lakes, Hudson Bay, the Mississippi etc.

While we are on the topic the feds are seeking even greater control over inland waters.
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Old 07-05-2016, 07:40 AM
 
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They are not responsible for the water quality.
Why not? Their actions can create the environment for something like this to happen. If they are restricting flow it's more likely going to happen. It goes to show that there are generally negative consequences to messing with the natural flow of nature along with the benefits.

I imagine that most would prefer a little green water now and then to floods or droughts.
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why not? Their actions can create the environment for something like this to happen. If they are restricting flow it's more likely going to happen. It goes to show that there are generally negative consequences to messing with the natural flow of nature along with the benefits.

I imagine that most would prefer a little green water now and then to floods or droughts.
A rather large part of the problem is nitrogen from fertilizer and storm water from streets an developments. Rather than lazy river feeds that would naturally filter out nitrogen and phosphorus over the course of months it is released rapidly in a few weeks, you are looking at high nutrient water going into the bays. Remove the dam and several cities would be flooded.


Some communities benefit from the flood control but others suffer from the effects, rather high impact to the wetlands and fisheries.
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Why not? Their actions can create the environment for something like this to happen. If they are restricting flow it's more likely going to happen. It goes to show that there are generally negative consequences to messing with the natural flow of nature along with the benefits.

I imagine that most would prefer a little green water now and then to floods or droughts.
Why not? They just aren't. They control the water level, but not what's in the water. Other authorities get to say what chemicals can and cannot be dumped in the lake.

Environmentalists have been fighting this for decades, but they are opposed by those who routinely oppose environmentalists.
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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A rather large part of the problem is nitrogen from fertilizer and storm water from streets an developments. Rather than lazy river feeds that would naturally filter out nitrogen and phosphorus over the course of months it is released rapidly in a few weeks, you are looking at high nutrient water going into the bays. Remove the dam and several cities would be flooded.


Some communities benefit from the flood control but others suffer from the effects, rather high impact to the wetlands and fisheries.
My argument is not to dismiss the idea of trying to lessen the impact on what we do to the soil but to point out, as you note, there are ramifications no matter what we do when we decide to try and control nature.
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Paradise
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They are not responsible for the water quality.

Nope...that's another federal agency. The DEP.

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A rather large part of the problem is nitrogen from fertilizer and storm water from streets an developments. Rather than lazy river feeds that would naturally filter out nitrogen and phosphorus over the course of months it is released rapidly in a few weeks, you are looking at high nutrient water going into the bays. Remove the dam and several cities would be flooded.

True about older developments, but not so about newer developments (since the 80's at least). They now must pre-treat and retain water to pre-development flows into natural or existing channels.


Most of this algae comes from all the agricultural run-off (lots of cattle farming around here).
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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A rather large part of the problem is nitrogen from fertilizer and storm water from streets an developments. Rather than lazy river feeds that would naturally filter out nitrogen and phosphorus over the course of months it is released rapidly in a few weeks, you are looking at high nutrient water going into the bays. Remove the dam and several cities would be flooded.


Some communities benefit from the flood control but others suffer from the effects, rather high impact to the wetlands and fisheries.
One of the problems is that the farmers are allows to pump the toxins into the lake. They use the lake water to irrigate their plants, and then pump it back in, but the problem is that is that the ground is saturated with fertilizers and it ends up in the water they pump back in. And its not just the lake, the everglades and all the canals down here are poisoned. No one eats the fresh water fish down here for that reason.

There was a ruling recently which mandates South Florida Water Management District to comply with Clean Water Act. Before the ruling, they claimed they were not in violation of it, but they were.
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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Why not? They just aren't. They control the water level, but not what's in the water. Other authorities get to say what chemicals can and cannot be dumped in the lake.
Well, no, the federal government also plays a huge role there. The EPA is not a state entity. So the government allows these things to be introduced into the environment and then creates the process for them to thrive.
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