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Old 07-06-2016, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It is in the WSJ link referenced in the Time article.

Yes, and like I say, they don't do a very good job of breaking those categories down. Lumping obesity in with mental health, for example, obfuscates the data.
So, you equate ADHD with 'mental health issues'?
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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When I enlisted in the Navy, I gained over 20 lbs. in boot camp. That's what boot does; fattens up the skinny kids and skinnies up the fat kids.

I have no worries about the millennials. If their time ever comes, they'll be right there on the line, and they will do their bit. Their generation is probably better fit for the war they would fight than either of us were in our day. Warfare is always different, because war itself always includes the very most recent changes in any society.

Increasingly, the military is abandoning preparations to fight the last war at last. That's one of the outcomes from trimming the military's size down. They are now spending much more time trying to anticipate the demands of a future war. That's one of the hard-earned lessons the Bush wars seem to have driven home to our high command.

What worries me more is all the old geezers who still think they're Rambo, and all the tubs who live on pizza and internet conspiracy theories. Some of those guys are so heavy they look like walking heart attacks waiting to happen.
You are wrong about this. Millennials are an entitlement generation and lazy to the core. Most of their reality has taken place in a virtual world. I teach millennials and their laziness and attitude is sickening.
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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You are wrong about this. Millennials are an entitlement generation and lazy to the core. Most of their reality has taken place in a virtual world. I teach millennials and their laziness and attitude is sickening.

Well, who raised them that way?
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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They don't really clarify the reasons very well.

But 29% qualify for service, and only 1% qualify and "are inclined to have a conversation with the military about possible service." That should tell you something about the desirability of joining the military.

I can't say I blame them. America doesn't fight "for freedom." We fight for murky geopolitical interests.
I agree. A lot of veterans will probably want to beat me with sticks for saying this, but I honestly see militaries as nothing more than fighting forces who serve corrupt people/interests.
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Old 07-06-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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So, you equate ADHD with 'mental health issues'?
I don't equate ADHD with anything. I didn't mention ADHD. The question is what the DoD considers "mental health issues", and what precisely constitutes "Obesity and mental health," and in what specific amounts.

And the answer to those is : unknown.

from the linked wsj article:
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Old 07-06-2016, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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One would hope so but I am reminded of a set of lines out of the "Galactica 1980" novel.
Troy and Dylan have just stunned a pair of security guards. Dylan: "Metal Projectile guns? These guys have a long way to go before they can take on the Cylons!"

Troy: "Only with their technology; there's nothing wrong with their spirit. They still engaged us despite seeing our fantastic firepower." (or something like that)

So, what do you think? Do the millennials have the spirit to fight?
Who knows? Every previous generation has had the spirit when called upon.

I hope we will never know the answer to that question, but I fear we'll find out soon enough.
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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I think this is an example of the Millennials being smart enough to not be "suitable" for Military Service that amounts to being little more then mercenaries working for Big Money to rip off the world. Our involvement in the Middle East is little more then a war to restore privately owned oil in Iraq and build a Trans Arabia Pipeline through Syria to the European market.
LOL, you think they're smart enough to be unqualified to join the military? They're barely smart enough to graduate high school, and far too many of them aren't even capable of doing that.

Only a liberal would think it's "smart" to be uneducated, out of shape, use illegal drugs and have a criminal record. I suppose that explains all the support Hillary still has.
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Who knows? Every previous generation has had the spirit when called upon.

I hope we will never know the answer to that question, but I fear we'll find out soon enough.
I hope we don't have to find out as well.

Of course, there is the usually reason of not wanting a war, of not wanting to see the broken and killed, but there's another one as well.

When I was a Provost Marshall and there would be reports of bed hopping in the BEQs, there was a question of did we want to put curfews in effect there or some other restriction against mixing.

I was told by my Chief, "The harder you let them play, the harder they will fight."

Well, in our continuing restrictive society, be it for PC or other reasons, how hard do we let them play?

When I was around in the 80s, my ship had arrived at a liberty port, and I was the "volunteer" to take up a community gift to go parasailing (for some reason that I don't recall, it didn't carry through). That was the Navy then, to get sailors to be recreationally active like that.

I was shocked when I was reading a professional article in the 90's when the focus had changed to officers meeting on entry to liberty ports to figure out ways to keep the sailors off the jet skis.

What's it like now? Do we let them really play?

Perhaps in the current world, play hard is accomplished with the electronic games and we don't have to worry about that aspect.....but I do wonder.
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:06 PM
 
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I agree. A lot of veterans will probably want to beat me with sticks for saying this, but I honestly see militaries as nothing more than fighting forces who serve corrupt people/interests.
True. Clinton was and is corrupt to the core while I was in the Navy.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:53 PM
 
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You are wrong about this. Millennials are an entitlement generation and lazy to the core. Most of their reality has taken place in a virtual world. I teach millennials and their laziness and attitude is sickening.


I have no idea where you live or what you teach millennials. But I call BS. They are a major force in the workplace. I don't know any who are lazy, in fact they are quite motivated. You can't judge all for just a few.
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