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Old 07-09-2016, 05:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
Do you realize how many issues this country now has that we did not have 8 years ago?
  • Violence with police and race
  • Terror from jihadists
  • Diseases - zika, TB, measles, ebola concerns for a time
  • More and more people can't support themselves
  • Health care costs continue to rise
  • Overrun with illegal immigrants
  • Border patrol ordered to not follow the laws
  • Government debt approaching 2.5 times the amount we had back then
  • Involved in an overseas war with no goal for victory
  • More and more government intrusion and control
That's just off the top of my head.

One word... CHANGE. That was Obama's slogan eight years ago. Do we really want more of this?

Next time a politician has a vague slogan - can we clarify the terms? Who thought we would change into where we are today...
Yep anyone that thinks Obama is the great savior is deranged or an ignoramois
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:07 PM
 
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Yep anyone that thinks Obama is the great savior is deranged or an ignoramois
One would think all of Obama and Clinton actions was to destroy the US Sovernity . That isway Clinton seems to be protected.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
Do you realize how many issues this country now has that we did not have 8 years ago?
  • Violence with police and race
  • Terror from jihadists
  • Diseases - zika, TB, measles, ebola concerns for a time
  • More and more people can't support themselves
  • Health care costs continue to rise
  • Overrun with illegal immigrants
  • Border patrol ordered to not follow the laws
  • Government debt approaching 2.5 times the amount we had back then
  • Involved in an overseas war with no goal for victory
  • More and more government intrusion and control
That's just off the top of my head.

One word... CHANGE. That was Obama's slogan eight years ago. Do we really want more of this?

Next time a politician has a vague slogan - can we clarify the terms? Who thought we would change into where we are today...
Police violence is not higher than it's been in the past, nor are minorities any more likely to be on the receiving end of said violence than white people. Terror attacks by jihadists are still incredibly uncommon in the US. Those viruses barely have impacted the US, and odds are, if and when they do, we'll handle it just fine. It's true that economic inequality is growing, however, actual rates of poverty, to my knowledge, haven't changed much.

There are 11 million illegal immigrants in the US, which is a lot, but there are 330 million people in the US, so to say we're overrun feels like hyperbole to me. I've also not heard that border patrol has been told to not follow the law, but if that is true, that's certainly disappointing. Yes, the debt is high. Yes, we're very involved overseas (this isn't new at all though). Is there really more government control now than a few years ago?

Most of our problems are small. Let's keep in mind, things have been WAY worse, and I'm not talking about Bush. There are times in US history, like basically everything prior to the 1900s, than makes Bush era economies look like a freaking paradise for gods. Sensationalizing the problems doesn't make the problems worse, but it does create a separate problem.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
Do you realize how many issues this country now has that we did not have 8 years ago?
  • Violence with police and race
  • Terror from jihadists
  • Diseases - zika, TB, measles, ebola concerns for a time
  • More and more people can't support themselves
  • Health care costs continue to rise
  • Overrun with illegal immigrants
  • Border patrol ordered to not follow the laws
  • Government debt approaching 2.5 times the amount we had back then
  • Involved in an overseas war with no goal for victory
  • More and more government intrusion and control
That's just off the top of my head.

One word... CHANGE. That was Obama's slogan eight years ago. Do we really want more of this?

Next time a politician has a vague slogan - can we clarify the terms? Who thought we would change into where we are today...
To play Devil's Advocate...[*]Violence with police and race...Started before Obama got into office.
[*]Terror from jihadists...Started before Obama got into office.
[*]Diseases - zika, TB, measles, ebola concerns for a time...Not sure how this is Obama's fault, but okay.
[*]More and more people can't support themselves...I indirectly tie this to Bill Clinton's and Dubya's policies.
[*]Health care costs continue to rise...Look at the number of baby boomers and how understaffed hospitals are it is just supply and demand.
[*]Overrun with illegal immigrants...Started before Obama got into office.
[*]Border patrol ordered to not follow the laws...I'll give you this one.
[*]Government debt approaching 2.5 times the amount we had back then...This falls on every politician, so I'll give you half a point.
[*]Involved in an overseas war with no goal for victory...Started before Obama got into office.
[*]More and more government intrusion and control...Started before Obama got into office.

Out of 10 points, you get 1.5 points.
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Old 07-09-2016, 08:46 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
Do you realize how many issues this country now has that we did not have 8 years ago?
  • Violence with police and race
  • Terror from jihadists
  • Diseases - zika, TB, measles, ebola concerns for a time
  • More and more people can't support themselves
  • Health care costs continue to rise
  • Overrun with illegal immigrants
  • Border patrol ordered to not follow the laws
  • Government debt approaching 2.5 times the amount we had back then
  • Involved in an overseas war with no goal for victory
  • More and more government intrusion and control
That's just off the top of my head.

One word... CHANGE. That was Obama's slogan eight years ago. Do we really want more of this?

Next time a politician has a vague slogan - can we clarify the terms? Who thought we would change into where we are today...
That sounds more like the last 16 years to me. What else ya got?
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Old 07-10-2016, 06:48 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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That sounds more like the last 16 years to me. What else ya got?
Obama promised to change all that and give us all hope. Remember? What happened to HOPE and CHANGE.

It appears you are saying that everything stayed the same.

Well, if that's the case, you'll see more of the same for another 4 years if Hillary gets in.

When do we see a change for the better? (for the people, not for the political establishment)
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Old 07-10-2016, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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To play Devil's Advocate...[*]Violence with police and race...Started before Obama got into office.
[*]Terror from jihadists...Started before Obama got into office.
[*]Diseases - zika, TB, measles, ebola concerns for a time...Not sure how this is Obama's fault, but okay.
[*]More and more people can't support themselves...I indirectly tie this to Bill Clinton's and Dubya's policies.
[*]Health care costs continue to rise...Look at the number of baby boomers and how understaffed hospitals are it is just supply and demand.
[*]Overrun with illegal immigrants...Started before Obama got into office.
[*]Border patrol ordered to not follow the laws...I'll give you this one.
[*]Government debt approaching 2.5 times the amount we had back then...This falls on every politician, so I'll give you half a point.
[*]Involved in an overseas war with no goal for victory...Started before Obama got into office.
[*]More and more government intrusion and control...Started before Obama got into office.

Out of 10 points, you get 1.5 points.
An "F-" grade . . . par for the course for a Republican.
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