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Some say that the 2nd amendment is outdated, that the founders couldn't have envisioned. Could they have envisioned internet and iphones?
This Dallas shooter like so many others was exposed to the internet and freedom of free speech groups to plant the seeds of hate and violence that led him to this destination.
Maybe freedom of speech and information sharing is outdated? Maybe more restrictions on the first amendment might bring us better security?
I mean Europe limits free speech to its people to foster harmony in society , so.....
If he hadn't been exposed to free speech he might not have ever been influenced to pick up a gun so....
You can use that argument for the entire Bill or Rights, all the first ten amendments. It's still a "great experiment" and yes no other country guards individual freedoms like the US - that goes for freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, the right to trial by jury, the right against searches and seizures, etc....And yes most of us would be shocked at the level of government intrusion that even the social democracies of Europe impose on it's citizens. Europe, when they look at the US, simply don't "get it". It's not only gun rights, but it's all our rights. Letting the KKK assemble and have parades? Unfathamable to them. Yes - Europe can censor book and movies. US has local obsencity laws, but the federal government has no power to censor media.
With these rights come personal responsibility. I think that's what we are missing and what we are losing. Times are changing - the pendulum is swinging into an era of entitlement and government dependency. You can't have both, they are incompatable with each other - you can't have the government taking care of you then expect free reign on everything else. We as a country have to decide - do we give up these individual rights in place of a nanny state - this includes not only greater gun control, but yes freedom of speech, freedom against seizures, no longer jury trials, and so forth... or do we continue with "the great experiment".
This is what people don't understand - when you give up one specific right, it's not only that right you are giving up, but it effects each and every individual right that the founding fathers created. Are we the people prepared for the new era?
Maybe we should just do away with personal rights altogether.
...or maybe the communist/socialist/Marxist agenda hiding behind a nice word (progressive) is what the problem is. Just maybe it's an old, outdated, utopian notion. A notion when put into practice has failed EVERY SINGLE TIME!
The Constitution is a timeless document of simple unchanging facts. Only the people who are charged with defending it change, and lately for the worse.
Some say that the 2nd amendment is outdated, that the founders couldn't have envisioned. Could they have envisioned internet and iphones?
This Dallas shooter like so many others was exposed to the internet and freedom of free speech groups to plant the seeds of hate and violence that led him to this destination.
Maybe freedom of speech and information sharing is outdated? Maybe more restrictions on the first amendment might bring us better security?
I mean Europe limits free speech to its people to foster harmony in society , so.....
If he hadn't been exposed to free speech he might not have ever been influenced to pick up a gun so....
I personally think the protections of "religion" are way over the top. Why the reverence for mythology and backwards superstition, anyway. Religion is going to bring about the end of mankind in this "my skydaddy is better than your skydaddy" mentatlity. Why protect "The Big Lie".
The 1st amendment should be limited to using a hand crank printing press and yelling from a soapbox, since the people that created it could have never envision speed printing machines and battery powered megaphones, or using a computer to communicate on an "enter net".
Some say that the 2nd amendment is outdated, that the founders couldn't have envisioned. Could they have envisioned internet and iphones?
This Dallas shooter like so many others was exposed to the internet and freedom of free speech groups to plant the seeds of hate and violence that led him to this destination.
Maybe freedom of speech and information sharing is outdated? Maybe more restrictions on the first amendment might bring us better security?
I mean Europe limits free speech to its people to foster harmony in society , so.....
If he hadn't been exposed to free speech he might not have ever been influenced to pick up a gun so....
What do you means "maybe?"
The second amendment specifically allowed machine guns and cannons. The founding fathers just didn't expect intelligence and wisdom would become outdated and be replaced by stupidity.
Some say that the 2nd amendment is outdated, that the founders couldn't have envisioned. Could they have envisioned internet and iphones?
This Dallas shooter like so many others was exposed to the internet and freedom of free speech groups to plant the seeds of hate and violence that led him to this destination.
Maybe freedom of speech and information sharing is outdated? Maybe more restrictions on the first amendment might bring us better security?
I mean Europe limits free speech to its people to foster harmony in society , so.....
If he hadn't been exposed to free speech he might not have ever been influenced to pick up a gun so....
Europe is a cesspool of failed socialism and liberalism.
whether you believe in god or not, that is your choice in this country, this country also allows people to speak their minds, congregate freely, etc. the founding fathers did NOT want the peoples speech stifled by government. and they threw in the second amendment to allow the rest of the bill of rights to be protected.
this doe not mean that one can go around and claiming to be speaking their minds while shooting people, nor can they go around claiming religious freedom while shooting people. it also does NOT give government free reign over the people.
we a a people are losing our way in this country. we are letting evil win, and then proclaiming loudly that things are evil, and that people are not. someone uses a knife in a crime, and we blame teh person, as we should. but when someone uses s gun in a crime, the perpetrator of the crime is just a good guy that lost his way because he had access to a gun. as if somehow the gun made him evil.
we have to stop that mindset people. guns are inanimate objects that confer NOTHING onto the person holding them. there are hundreds of millions of guns in this country, and the hugely vast majority of them have not been used to hurt anyone.
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